Asking a ML out

[oysteromelete1]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)

[Marq]

Prepare chopping board. Either she chop you or you chop yourself trying to impress her :p

[Pj90210]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)

Offer her a nice and cosy place to give her a good massage in return. She'll appreciate it :)

[asdfghjk1234]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)

Bring her to couple massage and see her naked and do whatever u like in the room after the masseuse left.

[bonk69]

Prepare chopping board. Either she chop you or you chop yourself trying to impress her :p

Well said, to be honest I got chopped before but sibeisong she use her pussy to sux my penis head but dun let me in duno how she could do it and yawning ah ah ah, and use a condom to penetrate her. Good thing dun last long i want second time she dun give me anymore since then

[gerardwoon]

50/50 you can fuck her, for money off course. if they dont take money, brace yourself for something even bigger. remember you are not the fucker but the fuckee in this game. They planned everything even before the arrive to singapore, you are part off and one of those that fell into place...

Dont fall in love, they can hurt you real bad 8-)

Oh by the way, the Chee bye is theirs, they are in control of the game, to fuck or not to fuck.... LOL

[whoizzit2]

Better save your $$ and explore others.

[bryanlailai]

if u have chemistry or be upfront about $, sure.
if not, what u seeking? probably better to dl tinder?

[happpy]

you like that ask means more or less you have limited resources

dont waste time and embarrass yourself.

cancel it off or either just ask her straight how much one shot.

last or not least who this ml share?

[Xgenre]

What's next? Lost sia.

Practise calligraphy after you asked her out. 死字怎么写? :D

[HeyHo]

ML only wants $, u think they think you handsome? 😂 c’mon lah
Ask how much first if ok then screw and move on to next Girl

[heyumf]

Bring for meal follow by hotel

[sladang]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

You can play chess or play chest wif her bro :D ..

[oysteromelete1]

Overall just curious, what's the outcome text a little, chit chat. 早安here 晚安there, didn't really have a plan in mind, just wanna see where this could go. 😂.

I guess maybe need to prepare Kena chop.

[soshiarsenal]

From 过来人 don't waste your time haha. MLs here very smart one, somemore they got either colleagues or other customers acting as their "advisers". They always in control of the game.

Spend one whole day with her, may not even get in her pants. Just use the money, top up a little, can find good FJ outside.

[Marq]

On a serious note. You sound like you didn’t ask her out with the intention just to bang her. So just do normal dating stuff lo. Unless she hint hint, haha.

But that may lead to another topic she might bring up which is a big no no. Relationship and marriage. While there may be some rare happy endings, but don’t ignore the fact that many of them will just see singaporean guys as a ticket to get PR

Conclusion, play the game, and just treat it like a game. Most of the time you will be better off single than with a PRC gf/wife, especially in this line of work they do

[Psam]

I dated 2 ML before 1 for sex and 1 became somewhat serious, the first 1 got married to a SG. The other RTC.
The last is presentable looking, good body. Mostly we go eat and drink, sometimes she will bring her colleague along. To her I am a nice customer, can chop some free nice meals, for me she is fun company and I don’t mind spending on her. Sex is mutual and optional. If you think anything outside of that, you will likely get hurt.
Things usually get bad after you fuck them, even if you put things upfront that you will never marry her, or help her stay in SG etc.
if your intention is just to take them out just to bang them, negotiates and settle before hand, like I did with the first 1. It is about food, drinks, sex and cuddles, most importantly money if any is involved.
Having say all that, I misses 2nd 1 after she left our shores, it is also better to cut them off totally and move on.

[quiddi]

Overall just curious, what's the outcome text a little, chit chat. 早安here 晚安there, didn't really have a plan in mind, just wanna see where this could go. 😂.

I guess maybe need to prepare Kena chop.

Kena complained by ML when i did this. She duno how to reply. Unless you are really close to the ML, no point for these greetings

[Psam]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)
Just treat them as normal dates, Go out and eat a lot, China food, local food etc. can be quite fun.
Sentosa, universal studio etc.
bowling, swim, play badminton.
Staycation is nice if possible.

[quiddi]

Like some bros here said. What is your ultimate game? I have asked a few ML out before for meals mostly. If sex is involved it is negotiated upfront. Other then that is like normal friends going out.

[Psam]

1 more thing to note, spend within your means, and strictly non loans to them.

[kombust]

Overall just curious, what's the outcome text a little, chit chat. 早安here 晚安there, didn't really have a plan in mind, just wanna see where this could go. 😂.

I guess maybe need to prepare Kena chop.

only got use if they have some interest in you. else its annoying to them.

[Kenkenkenchan]

Actually depends on how it started, is she ask you out or you ask her out?

[sky_liner2]

Just treat them as normal dates, Go out and eat a lot, China food, local food etc. can be quite fun.
Sentosa, universal studio etc.
bowling, swim, play badminton.
Staycation is nice if possible.

Hmmmm......married man rather difficult, may meet friends or relatives especially places like Universal Studio, Sentosa.......Badminton, my mind only aimed to play BEDminton.

Have chat with my favor ML, but she keeps rejecting of going out with me during her off day. Then yesterday a little turn and things seem rather progressing (maybe due to the bad business) but she ask go out do what and how can I help her? Any bro here goes out bonking with ML and pays monthly maintenance, what is the market rate? I am thinking of $300.00 per month and probably 2 times at most each month.

[kombust]

Hmmmm......married man rather difficult, may meet friends or relatives especially places like Universal Studio, Sentosa.......Badminton, my mind only aimed to play BEDminton.

Have chat with my favor ML, but she keeps rejecting of going out with me during her off day. Then yesterday a little turn and things seem rather progressing (maybe due to the bad business) but she ask go out do what and how can I help her? Any bro here goes out bonking with ML and pays monthly maintenance, what is the market rate? I am thinking of $300.00 per month and probably 2 times at most each month.

i think you spend your 300 fucking 2 different mls monthly better.

[oysteromelete1]

Generally is she ask for wechat first leh. Then she text me. Either her marketing really zai. High chance I'm just one of the many tbh. HAHA.

Idea ah, maybe bring her around one day, if got bang then bang lo. Quite fun to talk to her anyway 🤷. Normally ML 2off per month only ma.

[MichaelWinn]

Most of the time you will be better off single than with a PRC gf/wife, especially in this line of work they do

As long as they continue to work this line both of you will never feel emotionally secure.... Pay ,fuck and move on,,,try other girls is still the best policy so that you dont get hurt in the long run:)

[TheTrader2359]

Hmmmm......married man rather difficult, may meet friends or relatives especially places like Universal Studio, Sentosa.......Badminton, my mind only aimed to play BEDminton.

Have chat with my favor ML, but she keeps rejecting of going out with me during her off day. Then yesterday a little turn and things seem rather progressing (maybe due to the bad business) but she ask go out do what and how can I help her? Any bro here goes out bonking with ML and pays monthly maintenance, what is the market rate? I am thinking of $300.00 per month and probably 2 times at most each month.

300 a month is peanuts to ML leh.

[Xgenre]

300 a month is peanuts to ML leh.

I think there is a typo error. I think he mean $3000 instead of $300.

Been going out with a few PRC ladies, once they marry a Singaporean and have Singaporean children, they will aim to get Singaporean citizenship. Otherwise if a divorce occurs, they fear they may not be able to stay in Singapore and be with their kids. However, once they get the citizenship, they will consider divorcing their Singaporean husbands to regain their freedom and to get the assets in accordance to the Women's Charter.

Their thinking is damn one kind

[MichaelWinn]

I think there is a typo error. I think he mean $3000 instead of $300.

Been going out with a few PRC ladies, once they marry a Singaporean and have Singaporean children, they will aim to get Singaporean citizenship. Otherwise if a divorce occurs, they fear they may not be able to stay in Singapore and be with their kids. However, once they get the citizenship, they will consider divorcing their Singaporean husbands to regain their freedom and to get the assets in accordance to the Women's Charter.

Their thinking is damn one kind

Yes well said .many mls are well connected to lawyer friends....to trigger divorce they just press the button like a nuclear bomb.....pay,,fuck and move on still the wise policy

[Marq]

Yes well said .many mls are well connected to lawyer friends....to trigger divorce they just press the button like a nuclear bomb.....pay,,fuck and move on still the wise policy

I wouldn’t say they are well connected to lawyer friends, rather they have this whole network of their friends, village mates who have went through the process hooking a guy, get PR, get citizenship and divorce. That is why when you listen to them, their thinking mostly similiar, and simplistic, because they are just following a beaten path

[Psam]

Generally is she ask for wechat first leh. Then she text me. Either her marketing really zai. High chance I'm just one of the many tbh. HAHA.

Idea ah, maybe bring her around one day, if got bang then bang lo. Quite fun to talk to her anyway 🤷. Normally ML 2off per month only ma.

Just be careful, all trouble start with fun, it is about knowing where and when to stop.

[Psam]

Hmmmm......married man rather difficult, may meet friends or relatives especially places like Universal Studio, Sentosa.......Badminton, my mind only aimed to play BEDminton.

Have chat with my favor ML, but she keeps rejecting of going out with me during her off day. Then yesterday a little turn and things seem rather progressing (maybe due to the bad business) but she ask go out do what and how can I help her? Any bro here goes out bonking with ML and pays monthly maintenance, what is the market rate? I am thinking of $300.00 per month and probably 2 times at most each month.

Sex is not what I am looking for if I take them out, personally, I know where to find sex, also rather have some kind of no frill arrangements. My rules very clear and upfront. No asking for loans, maintenance etc. if want money to go out, settle upfront first.

[felatio]

If it fancies you being slaughteted go ahead. Got one ktv girl 15 years back asked her out for lunch at telok blangah plaza or mall. After makan she say need to get supplies at supermarket downstairs. After picking up her stuffs expected me to pay, came up to 400 at least. So at the cashier i asked her how many times would i be getting to fuck her. No satisfactory answer no payment for her stuffs. Siam reply so i just picked up a kit kat paid and fucked off. Saw her a few more times at appollo hotel ktv. Mamasan told me the girl was spreading her little outing with me to all her customers at the ktv. But seriously i don't give a flying fuck!

[Kenkenkenchan]

If it fancies you being slaughteted go ahead. Got one ktv girl 15 years back asked her out for lunch at telok blangah plaza or mall. After makan she say need to get supplies at supermarket downstairs. After picking up her stuffs expected me to pay, came up to 400 at least. So at the cashier i asked her how many times would i be getting to fuck her. No satisfactory answer no payment for her stuffs. Siam reply so i just picked up a kit kat paid and fucked off. Saw her a few more times at appollo hotel ktv. Mamasan told me the girl was spreading her little outing with me to all her customers at the ktv. But seriously i don't give a flying fuck!

I bet all the customers laughing at her instead lol

[swap]

Recently got a ML raised the topic of marriage to me. Only knew her for a short time. She is the 2nd ML who talked about such things to me. The 1st one I have known for a few years but haven't seen her for a while

The ML was very upfront that it is about the money and status to remain in Singapore long term to earn money. Also they will need to pay less levy or fees and earn a higher rate if they have status and not on the usual foreigner work permit. To her, it is not about emotions or feelings as long as she finds the other person ok and he can afford to sponsor her. In fact, it was her boss at her massage shop which suggested this marriage path to her.

For what she will give in return she did mention some things and open to discuss.

Not interested but I just listened to her story

[Marq]

Recently got a ML raised the topic of marriage to me. Only knew her for a short time. She is the 2nd ML who talked about such things to me. The 1st one I have known for a few years but haven't seen her for a while

The ML was very upfront that it is about the money and status to remain in Singapore long term to earn money. Also they will need to pay less levy or fees and earn a higher rate if they have status and not on the usual foreigner work permit. To her, it is not about emotions or feelings as long as she finds the other person ok and he can afford to sponsor her. In fact, it was her boss at her massage shop which suggested this marriage path to her.

For what she will give in return she did mention some things and open to discuss.

Not interested but I just listened to her story

Yea, this is what I mean. I’ve encountered this so many times over the years and its all exactly the same. They feel as long as the guy is ok, they are fine, and they will say they can support themselves and all.

If anyone here encounters this, and is tempted, just ask this question. Is she intending to retire in Singapore? And when I say retire, I don’t mean by age, it could be they feel they earned enough. Chances are she will prefer to go back to China. And you can be sure they will do that, even if it means divorce. Because how they see marriage is different from normal folks

[Kenkenkenchan]

Yea, this is what I mean. I’ve encountered this so many times over the years and its all exactly the same. They feel as long as the guy is ok, they are fine, and they will say they can support themselves and all.

If anyone here encounters this, and is tempted, just ask this question. Is she intending to retire in Singapore? And when I say retire, I don’t mean by age, it could be they feel they earned enough. Chances are she will prefer to go back to China. And you can be sure they will do that, even if it means divorce. Because how they see marriage is different from normal folks
What if the ml tell u buy house in china under your name When u both old go back china retire?

[StupidCharsiew]

I suggest not to do it unless you damn rich. At most just pay a little more and bring them go hotel for 1-2hrs

[Marq]

What if the ml tell u buy house in china under your name When u both old go back china retire?

Having a house is the least of your worries, because the ML will usually own her own house that you can stay in anyway. Your concerns stretches way beyond that. How well are you able to adapt to a new country at an old age? Can you afford medical fees? Who else can you rely on over there? Right down to having simple friends there to la kopi.

[Badboylee]

If it fancies you being slaughteted go ahead. Got one ktv girl 15 years back asked her out for lunch at telok blangah plaza or mall. After makan she say need to get supplies at supermarket downstairs. After picking up her stuffs expected me to pay, came up to 400 at least. So at the cashier i asked her how many times would i be getting to fuck her. No satisfactory answer no payment for her stuffs. Siam reply so i just picked up a kit kat paid and fucked off. Saw her a few more times at appollo hotel ktv. Mamasan told me the girl was spreading her little outing with me to all her customers at the ktv. But seriously i don't give a flying fuck!

nice one... got character... most guys will be paiseh and proceed to pay...

[loudexhaust]

Keep it transactional. Free fuck is the most expensive fuck. You might think you get the ML to become your girlfriend you will have free fuck. But you forget that once she declare that you are her boyfriend, you are expected to do what a bf supposed to do, ie take care of her, which can include the following (list is not exhaustive) :
1. Get food for her when she is hungry (Grab or self deliver)
2. Pay for grocery when shopping at supermarket
3. Buy things for her if her things spoil, eg handphone, wallet, shoes etc.
4. Air con spoil need to repair.
5. Kena locked out of her house need to get locksmith to open door.
6. Gifts for all the usual special event days (Xmas, valentine's day, Chinese valentine's day, birthday, cny etc)

Just do a simple calculation and you will figure out how many other MLs you can fuck with those money. Unfortunately I am speaking from experience.

[Errornotfound]

So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)

Bring her to meet your wife/gf then have a good ice breaking session

[MichaelWinn]

Keep it transactional. Free fuck is the most expensive fuck. You might think you get the ML to become your girlfriend you will have free fuck. But you forget that once she declare that you are her boyfriend, you are expected to do what a bf supposed to do, ie take care of her, which can include the following (list is not exhaustive) :
1. Get food for her when she is hungry (Grab or self deliver)
2. Pay for grocery when shopping at supermarket
3. Buy things for her if her things spoil, eg handphone, wallet, shoes etc.
4. Air con spoil need to repair.
5. Kena locked out of her house need to get locksmith to open door.
6. Gifts for all the usual special event days (Xmas, valentine's day, Chinese valentine's day, birthday, cny etc)

Just do a simple calculation and you will figure out how many other MLs you can fuck with those money. Unfortunately I am speaking from experience.
if her son or daughter in singapore studying then you need to support school fees:D:D,, unless we are millionaires and take her out from this trade, in the
first place she work this trade for money ,not looking for love:p

[r.fowler]

Firstly, for those very new to SG, yes, sightseeing is fresh to them. Probably they will do it. but given how small SG is, she can see it within a few off days. Secondly, given the long work hour and one off day a week, they will usually want to rest at home and recuperate unless the rewards is greater than resting at home (mean buying stuff, splurging on material items etc).

Yes, you might be lucky if a ML wants to come out with you but if you are not willing to splurge, i think it will be shortlived. They are here to earn a quick buck and if your motive and hers do not meet, I dont think there will be any goals achieved at the end of the day.


So let's say you successfully asked ML out on her off days, do what ah? What's next? Lost sia.

Bring her out explore Singapore? Or need to splurge(rather not)

[virusscan]

Hmmmm......married man rather difficult, may meet friends or relatives especially places like Universal Studio, Sentosa.......Badminton, my mind only aimed to play BEDminton.

Have chat with my favor ML, but she keeps rejecting of going out with me during her off day. Then yesterday a little turn and things seem rather progressing (maybe due to the bad business) but she ask go out do what and how can I help her? Any bro here goes out bonking with ML and pays monthly maintenance, what is the market rate? I am thinking of $300.00 per month and probably 2 times at most each month.

I think you are out of your mind right? $300 per month??? You add one more zero might have chance la

[Psam]

$2-$3k is about it, more if young and pretty. Also you might not be the only guy she is fucking.
I use to take this ML out for sex, the “boyfriend” always call to check, she will always say she is working or shopping etc. 40+ the old man that supported her is like 60+. Now she is married to him to get PR.

[MichaelWinn]

$2-$3k is about it, more if young and pretty. Also you might not be the only guy she is fucking.
I use to take this ML out for sex, the “boyfriend” always call to check, she will always say she is working or shopping etc. 40+ the old man that supported her is like 60+. Now she is married to him to get PR.

Thanks for info...once a public toilet always a public toilet...lol

[ruud27]

Have any of you tried bringing/asking the ML to do the massage at a hotel (for more privacy) instead? Is it advisable to do so?

[MichaelWinn]

Have any of you tried bringing/asking the ML to do the massage at a hotel (for more privacy) instead? Is it advisable to do so?

Those mls who are prs and married here would not want to go hotel because in the event of a raid their details will be revealed to the police....

[sladang]

I think you are out of your mind right? $300 per month??? You add one more zero might have chance la

Wonder will the ML ask: u think i am a beggar arh? :D ..

[MichaelWinn]

$2-$3k is about it, more if young and pretty. Also you might not be the only guy she is fucking.
I use to take this ML out for sex, the “boyfriend” always call to check, she will always say she is working or shopping etc. 40+ the old man that supported her is like 60+. Now she is married to him to get PR.

this type of money for sex commercial relationship will never last long, in my younger days i have seen so many friends kena conned by mls and wls, one even commited suicide as he lost his house and life savings after his ml ''wife'' divorced him and split his assests, she was also fucking other men or regular customers behind his back, the prc wife also always come home late at night, he long suspected but no guts to confront her :eek:

[Errornotfound]

Thanks for info...once a public toilet always a public toilet...lol

That's harsh..
But also the reality. When they keep on messaging you, doesnt mean that they are missing you. Truth is, they are missing you spending $$ on them.

[Psam]

this type of money for sex commercial relationship will never last long, in my younger days i have seen so many friends kena conned by mls and wls, one even commited suicide as he lost his house and life savings after his ml ''wife'' divorced him and split his assests, she was also fucking other men or regular customers behind his back, the prc wife also always come home late at night, he long suspected but no guts to confront her :eek:
There is always men that are willing to believe. That’s why I say you need to know when to stop.

[HeyHo]

No money no honey 🤣

[Psam]

That's harsh..
But also the reality. When they keep on messaging you, doesnt mean that they are missing you. Truth is, they are missing you spending $$ on them.
It is harsh but kind of true. I am sure got good 1s, but I don’t ask much and don’t want to know their story. I only spend on them when I am willing to spend, when I want some company.

[MichaelWinn]

There is always men that are willing to believe. That’s why I say you need to know when to stop.

so many cases of singaporean old men murdering their foreign "wives"....remember the kallang river body parts case...many years ago the old man murdered his prc wife chopped her body into pieces and dumped into kallang river....luckily a cleaner found the body parts and informed the police....sad end to a crime of passion

[MichaelWinn]

It is harsh but kind of true. I am sure got good 1s, but I don’t ask much and don’t want to know their story. I only spend on them when I am willing to spend, when I want some company.

99 per cent mls working this trade all same sob stories...divorced with one or two kids...mother sick...father need to go heart operation...in reality they are living a lavish lifestyle.....staying in condos and own one or 2 cars.....wake up folks hahaha....they always cry wolf....i have stopped believing them lol...

[Newbieshag]

Things you can do during their off day :Bring them to places of attractions, eat at HDL etc. depending on how much u wanna spend.

Just bare in mind they are here for the money , the less % ones may be looking for a temporary relationship to “normalise” their life . After 2 years will kiss you good bye and start a new in their country .

So if want to go out with them , must have the same mentality and prepare to splurge. Enjoy bro.

[MichaelWinn]

Things you can do during their off day :Bring them to places of attractions, eat at HDL etc. depending on how much u wanna spend.

Just bare in mind they are here for the money , the less % ones may be looking for a temporary relationship to “normalise” their life . After 2 years will kiss you good bye and start a new in their country .

So if want to go out with them , must have the same mentality and prepare to splurge. Enjoy bro.

Yes... Their heart and soul not with us...remember they have kids and family or even husbands back in their home country...so remember we will not be the special one;)

[bonk69]

Wonder will the ML ask: u think i am a beggar arh? :D ..

Maybe in love with U��

ML ask me to her house after work but I can’t at this hour. Disappointed can’t enjoy super darling full course. Only hide in tiny place and can’t enjoy fully

[HonkyTonkyMan]

so many cases of singaporean old men murdering their foreign "wives"....remember the kallang river body parts case...many years ago the old man murdered his prc wife chopped her body into pieces and dumped into kallang river....luckily a cleaner found the body parts and informed the police....sad end to a crime of passion

that one not wife its lover from work place, he was feeding her money every month and she was seeing another guy behind him...got piss took her home to his place and the crime of passion took place,...too bad for him he got the short end of the stick when they found him guilty of murder...there was a similar case the orchard body part where another maid murdered the other over money issues also but that one got off lightly no death sentence..

[oldwabbit]

Yes, I went out with some FL and like many other bros here, I have faced disappointments also. But whose fault was it? The only one to blame is me myself. I was inexperienced and naive. I didn't know human nature enough, didn't set my own expectations correctly. But hey... someone once said wisdom comes from experience, and experience come from our foolishness. That's how we grow and learn from life. Tio bo? If anyone asks me if I would ask a ML/FL out again, I would say "YES but it depends." There are bad people as well as good people. Not all FL/ML are bad. It's not good to be prejudiced and make broad generalization over people. Let alone tagging them with such a dehumanizing label like "public toilet". Going out for a simple meal or two, or a chit chat over a cup of coffee outside, to me, is OK.

Anyway, based on my experiences, here are some of the tips I can so far think of to minimize disappointments/embarrassment:

1. Know yourself. (Your motivation, your thought process. Understand how your fantasies shape your thinking) Ask yourself what is compelling you to ask her out? Any ulterior motive or ultimate goal?

2. Be a good judge of character. Use your instinct. (Can you smell, hear and see greed or danger from miles away?) This is very hard. Even we live with a person under the same roof for years, we may still not really know her.
3. Control your impulse. Do not rush. (How long have you known her?)
4. Set your limit (budget) and expectations. Know when to stop.
5. Set the safe distance. Is it too close or too sticky to pull yourself out if things get ugly?
6. Mentally prepared for disappointment /embarrassment. Ask yourself how you will feel once you find out that she actually earn more than you, uses the latest cool pro model phone while you may only be using a budget model phone, etc? Would you keep your cool if she keeps entertaining calls/Whatsapp from other guys while you were out with her?

7. Be honest and realistic with your financial situation
If I you make $10K a month, but splurge more than $1K on her (or them), for me is NOT ok, especially if you still have loan to settle (house mortgage, car installment, etc), minimum CPF balance unmet, etc),

If you can answer "YES" to all these 7 points, I guess I can give you my blessings to go ahead.

Life is short. So... bro, live! Live life fully but responsibly... As a wiseman once said, "Don't forget until it's too late that the business of life is not business, but to live".

Wish you all a great happy life!

[MichaelWinn]

Yes, I went out with some FL and like many other bros here, I have faced disappointments also. But whose fault was it? The only one to blame is me myself. I was inexperienced and naive. I didn't know human nature enough, didn't set my own expectations correctly. But hey... someone once said wisdom comes from experience, and experience come from our foolishness. That's how we grow and learn from life. Tio bo? If anyone asks me if I would ask a ML/FL out again, I would say "YES but it depends." There are bad people as well as good people. Not all FL/ML are bad. It's not good to be prejudiced and make broad generalization over people. Let alone tagging them with such a dehumanizing label like "public toilet". Going out for a simple meal or two, or a chit chat over a cup of coffee outside, to me, is OK.

Anyway, based on my experiences, here are some of the tips I can so far think of to minimize disappointments/embarrassment:

1. Know yourself. (Your motivation, your thought process. Understand how your fantasies shape your thinking) Ask yourself what is compelling you to ask her out? Any ulterior motive or ultimate goal?

2. Be a good judge e that the business of life is not business, but to live".

Wish you all a great happy life!
The singapore women charter law protects these mls...they can fuck around with other men and can sue us for divorce to claim our assets....house,car,bank account money etc...that why foreign women like to come singapore....the law here favours them lol...

[sladang]

Maybe in love with U��

ML ask me to her house after work but I can’t at this hour. Disappointed can’t enjoy super darling full course. Only hide in tiny place and can’t enjoy fully

I-say-man bro, u lost a million sia.

Nxt time no matter what hour oso die die must go one, otherwise u can oni hide in one tiny place see other bros enjoy & u can't enjoy fully :D ..

[MichaelWinn]

I-say-man bro, u lost a million sia.

Nxt time no matter what hour oso die die must go one, otherwise u can oni hide in one tiny place see other bros enjoy & u can't enjoy fully :D ..

Could it be a trap....blackmail and extortion...her chinaman husband there .....tread with care

[spongeman]

ML/FL are for fark and dump
dont need to talk gum ching with them
their motive here is simple - is to earn monies
usually they will fark out from this island and head back to their home country once they deemed earned enough or their pass has expired
they live like queens back home
where will remember us
maybe some bros out there will continue to send them monies
while the ML/FL fark their own bf/fwb back home

[bonk69]

ML/FL are for fark and dump
dont need to talk gum ching with them
their motive here is simple - is to earn monies
usually they will fark out from this island and head back to their home country once they deemed earned enough or their pass has expired
they live like queens back home
where will remember us
maybe only bros out here will continue to send them monies
while the ML/FL fark their own bf/fwb back home

Thanks for sharing your most sincere comments gamsia👍👍👍

[HappyDays]

Well, I am currently going out with an ML.

Straight up during a lunch date I told her I will never ever give her any money or status. If you want this, I am not the right guy and she should move on. If we ever touch this topic, I will walk away and there will never be anymore meetings.

She was very hurt by what I said and asked me why I would envision her as such. I simply said this is the fact and if she can't handle what her compatriots have painted of their own country mates before she came, she should wake up. She no doubt wants status to stay in Singapore and there is a long line of men willing to give her that. People willing to give her money every month to marry her but till date she has not taken that road as she has not found the correct person. She also told me that she can earn her own money and no need men. Money is never an issue for them. It is the status that they want, PR. With this, it opens alot of doors for them.

And mostly, they have at least 1 child back home whom they are supporting. Out of 10 MLs, probably 9 will have a kid back home in their motherland. Without this commitment, why would they even want to leave their country. Being an ML here earns them alot of money. Ridiculous amounts of money and alot of men willing to give them money based on the experiences that she has shared with me. The MLs obviously also need to look a certain standard as well.

Till date, the ML has never asked me for money or anything that we have spoken that is off limits, so off days are spent together with meals, sex and companionship. Of course I will need to occasionally buy the food, durians, drinks etc. I do these out of my own convenience and spending power. Nothing too exorbitant. No expensive gifts etc.

So, not all MLs are what you envision, there are those that are not in it for the money. You just need the luck to meet and click with them. Once all this happens, they also turn human and provide a certain level of companionship based on the chemistry. It is a long road to fight off alot of competition, spending alot of money at different places to find this one needle in the haystack.

When you find this person, my approach is very simple. Be upfront about what you want. If it doesnt work out, there are alot of other MLs for the picking. Just need to have the luck to meet them and to spend within your means.

Happy hunting bros!

[Marq]

It is the status that they want, PR. With this, it opens alot of doors

Most only want the status, they can earn their own money

Think long and hard about this. And as mentioned before, they will not think twice to ditch you once they earn enough and leave you old and alone in Singapore.

[bondage]

ML/FL are for fark and dump
dont need to talk gum ching with them
their motive here is simple - is to earn monies
usually they will fark out from this island and head back to their home country once they deemed earned enough or their pass has expired
they live like queens back home
where will remember us
maybe some bros out there will continue to send them monies
while the ML/FL fark their own bf/fwb back home

Ultimate truth. Some bro also said before - basically public toilet. Harsh but true.

I know most of us try to be nice ppl but that can also be a weakness the ML/FL can easily exploit.

The truth is we do not know them well. So just try to size up the person better before spending more time and money on the girl. Think of other missed opportunities as well.

One ML kept asking for more money on every opportunity. Cannot change. At least she's more direct and obvious. Some are more manipulative if we are not careful.

Once they know your SES and personality, they are also sizing up prospects. One ML asked me to bao her on first visit.

So they are always sizing up their customers. Any high level GFE is purely calibrated with a reason. Any new sex position or activity is also noted down by her. Some may just be friendly but those that keep up their service levels are uncommon. One reason is that they get tired one way or another. It's not an easy job being a public toilet. Their libido or appetite or stamina or mood drops once they have an intense session let alone at the end of the day. This explains the overall sometimes inconsistent FR, MR.

One FL told me she's very sensitive and gets high very fast. You know when you have turned her on early and she cums. If she can continue into the hour, that's amazing. Her friend told her like that, she cannot last one year. She has to do something about it like take herbal so that she can pace.

This also means that the better FLs are the one who can pace themselves thru simulation, GFE, etc to make you feel great and cum fast. If you are that type with skill craft, dun cum fast, have a great looking tool, know how to use it, and are a great Picasso, it's when the FL will say she should be your wife to enjoy the sex for hours tirelessly - that's impossible. It sounds like a praise but if she's smart, she's telling herself that she has to consistently make money each day to cover all kinds of expenses and also RTC rich. We are the source of that revenue. In other words, she doesn't really want your business even for an hour let alone a more pleasurable 90 min or 2 hours. If she drops you she's a smart girl. Don't be clingy, all good things must end.

So if possible, have a good rotation list and keep rotating. Even if you RTF a girl more than a few times already and want to keep her as a regular sex partner expecting great sessions, a rotation list is much better other things constant. Remember she doesn't think like us and we don't think like them.

[MichaelWinn]

Ultimate truth. Some bro also said before - basically public toilet. Harsh but true.

I know most of us try to be nice ppl but that can also be a weakness the ML/FL can easily exploit.

The truth is we do not know them well. So just try to size up the person better before spending more time and money on the girl. Think of other missed opportunities as well.

One ML kept asking for more money on every opportunity. Cannot change. At least she's more direct and obvious. Some are more manipulative if we are not careful.

Once they know your SES and personality, they are also sizing up prospects. One ML asked me to bao her on first visit.

So they are always sizing up their customers. Any high level GFE is purely calibrated with a reason. Any new sex position or activity is also noted down by her. Some may just be friendly but those that keep up their service levels are uncommon. One reason is that they get tired one way or another. It's not an easy job being a public toilet. Their libido or appetite or stamina or mood drops once they have an intense session let alone at the end of the day. This explains the overall sometimes inconsistent FR, MR.

One FL told me she's very sensitive and gets high very fast. You know when you have turned her on early and she cums. If she can continue into the hour, that's amazing. Her friend told her like that, she cannot last one year. She has to do something about it like take herbal so that she can pace.

This also means that the better FLs are the one who can pace themselves thru simulation, GFE, etc to make you feel great and cum fast. If you are that type with skill craft, dun cum fast, have a great looking tool, know how to use it, and are a great Picasso, it's when the FL will say she should be your wife to enjoy the sex for hours tirelessly - that's impossible. It sounds like

So if possible, have a good rotation list and keep rotating. Even if you RTF a girl more than a few times already and want to keep her as a regular sex partner expecting great sessions, a rotation list is much better other things constant. Remember she doesn't think like us and we don't think like them.

Wise words from a wise man....

[oldwabbit]

For me personally, taking them out is a very effective "wake-up pill". If I like one too much, I would ask her out for dinner. Usually, it's during this moment, their true personality and character emerge. Overnight, I see a cute rabbit transforming into a porcupine, washing away all my interests in them.:D But of course, the smart ones could act well but luckily I haven't encountered one.

[oldwabbit]

For me personally, taking them out is a very effective "wake-up pill". If I like one too much, I would ask her out for dinner. Usually, it's during this moment, their true personality and character emerge. Overnight, I see a cute rabbit transforming into a porcupine, washing away all my interests in them.:D But of course, the smart ones can act well but luckily I haven't encountered one.

Note: Sorry for double posting. How do I delete the previous post?

[MichaelWinn]

For me personally, taking them out is a very effective "wake-up pill". If I like one too much, I would ask her out for dinner. Usually, it's during this moment, their true personality and character emerge. Overnight, I see a cute rabbit transforming into a porcupine, washing away all my interests in them.:D But of course, the smart ones could act well but luckily I haven't encountered one.
Yes they will bring you to haidilao and high end restaurants and chop us ....most mls dun want eat cheap food..they want carrot heads to pay

[bondage]

Yes they will bring you to haidilao and high end restaurants and chop us ....most mls dun want eat cheap food..they want carrot heads to pay

Taking advantage of Sg men's 傻福。

[bondage]

Wise words from a wise man....

Only by making as few mistakes and as early as possible, bro.

[oldwabbit]

Yes they will bring you to haidilao and high end restaurants and chop us ....most mls dun want eat cheap food..they want carrot heads to pay

Nope. I proposed the places within my budget. The last one I spent only $21 for dinner.

[MichaelWinn]

Only by making as few mistakes and as early as possible, bro.

Some mls got a few carrot heads to rotate around like a rooster eg monday kelvin, tuesday david, wednesday john etc,,we can never beat them at their game,even those married mls got fixed income from their husbands or boyfriends,, we are only their part time income,,,best is not to get involved too deep with any ml working this trade,,if not you will be hurt badly later on,,,,move on to other girls,,,avoid love trap lol

[bondage]

Some mls got a few carrot heads to rotate around like a rooster eg monday kelvin, tuesday david, wednesday john etc,,we can never beat them at their game,even those married mls got fixed income from their husbands or boyfriends,, we are only their part time income,,,best is not to get involved too deep with any ml working this trade,,if not you will be hurt badly later on,,,,move on to other girls,,,avoid love trap lol

It's been frequently said here for many years, this axiom: pay and move on, or fuck and forget etc.

Stay in control or else it's out of control; aka you control the situation or else she controls you.

[kombust]

Some mls got a few carrot heads to rotate around like a rooster eg monday kelvin, tuesday david, wednesday john etc,,we can never beat them at their game,even those married mls got fixed income from their husbands or boyfriends,, we are only their part time income,,,best is not to get involved too deep with any ml working this trade,,if not you will be hurt badly later on,,,,move on to other girls,,,avoid love trap lol

we also need a few mls to rotate around. it helps to prevent falling into kc trap.

[bigmannow]

These ML can be addictive like drugs .. instantly swipe your pocket empty .. I once like this ML and give her a higher than usual rate after she say no time limit for the session .. but later I regret giving too much

[bondage]

These ML can be addictive like drugs .. instantly swipe your pocket empty .. I once like this ML and give her a higher than usual rate after she say no time limit for the session .. but later I regret giving too much

Hence, men are the weaker sex. Look at history.

[MichaelWinn]

These ML can be addictive like drugs .. instantly swipe your pocket empty .. I once like this ML and give her a higher than usual rate after she say no time limit for the session .. but later I regret giving too much

when we are dry of money after being sucked dry by the ml and kc trap then we have lost control,,, a friend of mine borrowed from many loansharks to maintain the ml lavish lifestyle but finally he could not pay the high interest rates and gone into hiding,,,he had to shift house to avoid the loansharks and the ml dumped him because his money was drying up,,, a good lesson learnt

[bigmannow]

Anyway nowadays the trend is high cost expensive but service sucks

[MichaelWinn]

Anyway nowadays the trend is high cost expensive but service sucks

agreed, the govt made a mistake of not reopening the geylang licensed brothels, same applies to loansharks, unlicensed lenders charge higher interest rates but do not do stringent checks on borrowers, licensed lenders lower interest rates but borrowers are checked carefully, the way the govt is going, driving the sex trade underground , endless cat and mouse game btw mls and police

[AnnieYJL]

Some mls got a few carrot heads to rotate around like a rooster eg monday kelvin, tuesday david, wednesday john etc,,we can never beat them at their game,even those married mls got fixed income from their husbands or boyfriends,, we are only their part time income,,,best is not to get involved too deep with any ml working this trade,,if not you will be hurt badly later on,,,,move on to other girls,,,avoid love trap lol

Hahaha! Why everyone likes to Sian ML? No other girls?

[chongboonkid]

when we are dry of money after being sucked dry by the ml and kc trap then we have lost control,,, a friend of mine borrowed from many loansharks to maintain the ml lavish lifestyle but finally he could not pay the high interest rates and gone into hiding,,,he had to shift house to avoid the loansharks and the ml dumped him because his money was drying up,,, a good lesson learnt

this guy is finish, in term of $, job, social life (ah long hunting him down everday)
and of course emotion wise
he mus b feeling like a sucker - lost $, kena dump by the girl and bankrupt?
now i know - never evny those who drive big vars to massage parlour, throw tips, buy LV bag for girls, bring girls eat HaiDiLao
tks bro for sharing & waking up my bloddy idea on Xmas day

[bondage]

when we are dry of money after being sucked dry by the ml and kc trap then we have lost control,,, a friend of mine borrowed from many loansharks to maintain the ml lavish lifestyle but finally he could not pay the high interest rates and gone into hiding,,,he had to shift house to avoid the loansharks and the ml dumped him because his money was drying up,,, a good lesson learnt

When one has to borrow, he has run out of even discretionary spending money, let alone savings.

Interest is what banks and sharks thrive on setting aside the principal and collateral.

There's no pleasant exit plan.

[MichaelWinn]

this guy is finish, in term of $, job, social life (ah long hunting him down everday)
and of course emotion wise
he mus b feeling like a sucker - lost $, kena dump by the girl and bankrupt?
now i know - never evny those who drive big vars to massage parlour, throw tips, buy LV bag for girls, bring girls eat HaiDiLao
tks bro for sharing & waking up my bloddy idea on Xmas day
His name cannot be revealed here for privacy reasons....the guy who drive a mercedes and pick up his vietnam girl from orchard towers every night has been charged in court for running a ponzi scheme using his trading company...he has been charged with 75 counts of cheating and forgery....police has freeze 5 of his bank accounts and seized his assests in spore....he funded the vietnam girl lavish lifestyle using funds he got from the ponzi scheme....he is currently out on bail pending further charges

[Apollo]

His name cannot be revealed here for privacy reasons....the guy who drive a mercedes and pick up his vietnam girl from orchard towers every night has been charged in court for running a ponzi scheme using his trading company...he has been charged with 75 counts of cheating and forgery....police has freeze 5 of his bank accounts and seized his assests in spore....he funded the vietnam girl lavish lifestyle using funds he got from the ponzi scheme....he is currently out on bail pending further charges

poor guy, lost his mind

he must spend much more than just baoyang the girl as mistress ... stupid

[MichaelWinn]

poor guy, lost his mind

he must spend much more than just baoyang the girl as mistress ... stupid

The girl got one kid studying in singapore...he also support her kid school fees...but now the police have charged him for running the ponzi scheme

[Apollo]

I think there is a typo error. I think he mean $3000 instead of $300.

Been going out with a few PRC ladies, once they marry a Singaporean and have Singaporean children, they will aim to get Singaporean citizenship. Otherwise if a divorce occurs, they fear they may not be able to stay in Singapore and be with their kids. However, once they get the citizenship, they will consider divorcing their Singaporean husbands to regain their freedom and to get the assets in accordance to the Women's Charter.

Their thinking is damn one kind

agree bro, lot of such cases and maybe rare happy ending ...

[MichaelWinn]

Taking advantage of Sg men's 傻福。

Maybe singapore men too kind hearted...in china they kena beaten by husbands like nobody business lol

[Apollo]

$2-$3k is about it, more if young and pretty. Also you might not be the only guy she is fucking.
I use to take this ML out for sex, the “boyfriend” always call to check, she will always say she is working or shopping etc. 40+ the old man that supported her is like 60+. Now she is married to him to get PR.

u still on her after her marriage ?

[Apollo]

If it fancies you being slaughteted go ahead. Got one ktv girl 15 years back asked her out for lunch at telok blangah plaza or mall. After makan she say need to get supplies at supermarket downstairs. After picking up her stuffs expected me to pay, came up to 400 at least. So at the cashier i asked her how many times would i be getting to fuck her. No satisfactory answer no payment for her stuffs. Siam reply so i just picked up a kit kat paid and fucked off. Saw her a few more times at appollo hotel ktv. Mamasan told me the girl was spreading her little outing with me to all her customers at the ktv. But seriously i don't give a flying fuck!

bro good move :D

[Marq]

His name cannot be revealed here for privacy reasons....the guy who drive a mercedes and pick up his vietnam girl from orchard towers every night has been charged in court for running a ponzi scheme using his trading company...he has been charged with 75 counts of cheating and forgery....police has freeze 5 of his bank accounts and seized his assests in spore....he funded the vietnam girl lavish lifestyle using funds he got from the ponzi scheme....he is currently out on bail pending further charges

Lol, not hard to identify this guy. So high profile case

[MichaelWinn]

Lol, not hard to identify this guy. So high profile case
if he goes to jail the viet girl probably take his assests and run, i dont think the girl will wait for him, he may go in at least 10 years such a large ponzi scheme