Re: Ho Chi Minh Vs. Bangkok
 

well yeah pp relaively cheaper but when u do a cpf based on my parameters, ie drinks +bf + payment, factor in how they reluctant to give bj, and the fact that i couldnt even find ONE acceptible girl in ALL the 3-4 fishbowl massage places i went to and i found it difficult to find a acceptable one the many bars in pp, i ended up getting a "freebie" vietnamese bar girl, so that skews the cpf quotient for cambodia

Re: Bang For Buck
 

Ok agreed. Good way of incorporating the time factor.

So therefore the definition of CPF should be then, 'Total monetary outlay on subject until sex happens with subject', or:

Σ(Expenses on subject) i=1, n=sex with subject

Now the question is, and using your example, how to reflect the difference between a case where the time period between date #1 and date #3 is 2 weeks, and a case where the time period between date #1 and date #3 is 3 months, assuming both have a CPF of VND 900k?

Re: Bang For Buck
 

the issue isnt time but the reasons why..there was such a time elapse..eg if i spent x dongs then i said it was pointless and i gave up, then she reinitiated contact with me showing her interest, it might be possible to reset the counter, but in most cases i would just add the first date as part of the ongoing tally. However if tere was a time lapse of 3 mths and it was due to use being busy then i would just continue with the tally, so over all it doenst make a difference whether the time lapse is 3 days or 3 mths, the tally keep on running
The point of keeping a cpf tally for ME is to determine whether this particular girls is worth teh effort.
My personal view is that in regards to women paid sex and love is mutually exclusive. I refuse to romance whores, just as i think its immoral to try and get freebies from whores.
Normal girls are meant to be loved, and thus involves the investment of time, affection etc.
Whore are meant for sex then paying them...whilst still treating them as a human being worthy of respect, just dont love them

I was aware of this theory from my own experiences, but someone put it into words, tehre are 5 genral aspects of love
1. Physical sex
2. Non sexual touching also teh pleasure of being with someone attractive
3. languange and communication, sweet tallking/verbal emotions
4 Emotional expressed by doing things for your loved one
5. Buying stuff and giving them money

I have always and aim to use the above four aspects to get my women, obviously as i get older and more unttratcive iu wioll have to use #5 more. But as it is with ALL my gfs i basically maintain them on less than 2 mill a month, and a cpf of about 200k.

So where i use the cpf is where the girls im dating is costing me more than the cpf of a freelancer..where im expected to not romance and not provide the 4 aspects, and just provide #5.
So if teh girl im dating is both costing me more than a freelancer AND i need to do #1-4, plus she is giving me attitude, then clearly i need a exit plan.

The examples i use is when guys talk about getting freebies and they spend the whole days sweet talking a girl, praising her putting her on a pedestal..walk around talking her shopping holding her purchases, taking her to a nice restaurant, and tehn she is giving him attitude, and after that he gets to fuck her overnite and when you work out teh cpf is 2mill...wtf id rather just pay a girl 2mill and not do all that shit!!!
Thats where the cpf quotient comes into play...its not so i can be a cheap charlie and say yeah i fucked her 6 times that night and so 2mill/6 is 350k and so yeah i got a good deal.

Im not a fucken sex deprived guy where i can cum more than 2x in a night so my cpf would be based on 2 shots for a overnight, regardless if that particualr time i did cum 6 times.
To do a cost per shot analysis would bring forth stupid scenarios where for example she let me cum 1 but during the night i woke up whilse she was sleeping and i masturbated 10 times so would that mean i shot 11 times?

Re: Ho Chi Minh Vs. Bangkok
 

Not hiong... dun worry. End of the night, your kuku still in 1 piece.

It is the same in every city... if u know where to find, u will enjoy it. As a tourist who stays in a city for a week, u will tend to explore only a small part of the fun.

Same in HCMC, as a tourist, HBT is the easiest but also crappy service n expensive.

Re: Bang For Buck
 

The point of keeping a CPF tally should be similar for anyone - is the subject worth the effort or not?

I agree on your point about how one should keep 'regular' girlfriends and whores separate because of the distinction between love and paid sex. That's why the CPF is powerful because it transcends this distinction - you can use/apply the CPF in both cases - love and paid sex.

Last point of clarification - when you said you maintain your girlfriends on less than VND2M a month, so basically it means you have 2 girlfriends that you see fives times a month each = 2 x 5 x CPF of VND200k = VND 2M?

Re: Bang For Buck
 

no that figure is MAXIMUMS i generally get a new gf every 3 months so 4 a year, been here about 5 yrs so close to 15-20 gfs, I HAVE NEVER given these gf EVER more than 3mill a month sporadically, ie some months i help them other months they dont ask i dont give in fact most girls dont ask.

Thats the first point, ie i dont give a monthly allowance like what other guys do.
Secondly my dates on avgerage cost 200k a date sometimes more sometimes less eg today i too my gf to chao goi vit..cost 90k then i went back to my house for a bonk. Othertimes i took her to seafood, cost 1mill. But on average a date will cost me 200k, and afterwards we often have sex, sometimes i cum othertimes i like just pleasing her or to feel myself inside her but not wanting to exerte myself till i cum. So without going through the hassle of using a calculator, i can say my cpf is generally about 200k.

With new girls again, my SOP is 1 date coffee, 100k, second date dinner 200k, third date dinner or movie etc 200-300k, then i bonk...so tally that is 600k/2 so again my cpf is 300k or their abouts. This is a general off the cuff calculations.

Generally my comments are made as a average, ie MOSTLY i dont give money, and when i do its justified, for example my gf needed to borrow 2 mill as she wanted to but a 7.5 mill bike, as she had to return her sisters, and as she worked as a PR she needed to travel during work etc. I gave her 2.5 mill as a once off.
And i suppose because i gave her this 2.5 mill, i am less likely to take her to the movies or things she likes, but in terms of dinner I always take girls to places i like, when i end up at touristy places its mostly because i was misled..see my nuoc suong marina comment.

I dont run gfs in parallel, i run them in series and i see my gf 3-4 times a week with bonks prob 8-12 times a month.

There have been obviously bad situations but i can generally feel that out when i talking to her before i meet for coffee, or whilst im having coffee. The last "bad" experience was 1.x mill dinner at nuoc suong marina..after that i didnt contact her again

another point of clarification regards the cpf for ME is this. The costs included in MY cpf may be different from yours.
Eg when i take them to dinner i only calculate 1/2 the cost as i would have to eat myself, however if i was pressured to taking to a restaurant i wouldnt otherwise go myself then i would calculate the WHOLE cost as in my mind that was of very little benefit to me, likewise iof i went to KTV or disco, the ENTIRE cost of the night would be calculated into the cpf as i get nothing from standing around getting drunk listening to bad loud music..surrounded by social misfits who have to pay for girls company and attention. I draw the line at paying for sex, but i refuse to pay for a girls attention and her non sexual company.

Re: Phnom Penh
 

hiong doesnt mean good, imagine fucking a "20" year old fm the alley brothel, when missionary style holding up the legs, u can see feet no wash, body has stale sweat smell, 1 time only, never again, i rather pay 3 times more, more enjoyment. :(

Re: Phnom Penh
 

haha...we always never know who had went in or under before you...better be safe than be sorry...:)

Re: Phnom Penh
 

stale sweat full of pheromones makes u feel virile..and unwashed feet... u plan to suck her toes ? hahah...seem not bad for me if she HOT 20yr old and if she was reciprocating my ardour...

Re: Phnom Penh
 

your english very chim, luckily got google :D
not even close, she only keep on saying "ge ge" "quick quick"
i say never again becoz of 2 things, 1 - dirty like hell, 2 - she say 20 but down below only hv few "whiskers" :eek: i dont want end up eating black bean rice

Re: Phnom Penh
 

i always have protection :D, hiong in this case i meant go to back alley chicken house, becoz they were talking abt CPF, those back alley chicken house u can get for 10$ 1 shot, but i bring her back to hotel room, so paid for 25$ LT, but after 1 round i ask her go back, i want to do "scrub down" in the bathroom.

Re: Ho Chi Minh Vs. Bangkok
 

Can extend this offer to Pak ;)

Re: Ho Chi Minh Vs. Bangkok
 

Put date, put time... sure song song kao jurong...

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

Haha Pak S.B.Y.1 go for it! :p

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

Sure bo :D

Pak's a One Man Woman :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY8kyWUNIPY

Best Pak lari jauh2 if not Abang Hurricane88 hantam Pak here

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

Pak S.B.Y.1 I've a good feeling I've met you before many donkey years ago! :eek: :p

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

At Johore Road back in the 70's :eek: :D

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

That's too far back! :eek: :p

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

Will be in HCM staying at A&EM from 23rd to 26th this month. Any newbies there wanna explore together?

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

9 more days to Tet,this week gonna be the last week where the city is flooded with "hungry" girls...:D

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

This is just some idle commentry about some of the things i have read or heard written and spoken by samsters i have met or just read about.

This is not directed at anyone in specific nor am i targeting the person im quoting.

The word explore is generally accepted as the following
1. To investigate systematically; examine:
2. To search into or travel in for the purpose of discovery:

Whilst its possible that a bunch of hcmc newbies could be doing the former, ie find things in the city that "they" dont know about personally, but id doubt they would have the capacity or the "balls" to explore and discover things unknown by the general samster population that hasnt taken a copy if h88 list which is prob over 10yr old. So when i read that post im thinking the blind leading the blind to ripoff and carrot chop places.

As part of my touring service, i constantly get asked the question where can xyz find the HOTTEST girls..and how much is it or is it possible to fuck them with xyz. Well the first part is i dont know what is teh meaning of HOTTEST..i mean tehre are plenty of actresses and singers and modela who i think is attractive but no more so than some of the 200k bbbj girls i have used. Secondly when i tell them i cant see how if they have a daily budget of 6k usd they cant get the pick of the litter of hcmc girls they balk...i mean whats teh point of telling me they want the HOTTEST girls and are willing to spend money but then they baulk at that figure. Seems they think that they should be able to get 10's for 100usd overight.

I had also another regular samster to me complain how he tired of seducing ktv girls..how it was no challenge...this guy would pay teh amrket rates for overnight...then add on the 1-2mill incidentals it costs to access these girls at ktv and his cpf for a overnight is like close to 5mill ie a cpf of 2mill+ and he comlaining its not a challenge?
Ofcourse its not a challange because EVERY foreigner should be able to fuck if they spend 2mill further EVERY guys should have that much money to spend if they so choose.
So when i answered that if he wants a challenge he should give himself a false budget of daily 300k to get a bonk. Obviously when i give him this target this "playa" doesnt rise to the challenge.
This smaster also has been targeting cafe girls, one of his targets i also know, and when i have seen them together she shows about as much interest in him as i show my dirty socks. But this guy has no idea, she even told me that she sees him only as a customer, but he wontg take the hints and keeps on chasing.
This samsters seems to think haveing lots of targets is something admirable..NOT true, its how many girls and teh quality of girls that target YOU, not your money, that is the thing worth being proud about.

Those who have read my posts prob realise im stingy or a cheap charlie, most prob falsely assume im poor. Thats ok, but the reason i go to these cheap places are this.
1. When u do find a gem ist makes it so much sweeter
2. When you explore liek i do, its alot of misses b4 u get a hit so the misses dont add up to much if its a cheaper place.

Eg. I was touring a guy to some of the brothels, and in this area the fuck isnt automatic, seems like some girls may only offer hj or bj. I wasnt aware of that "my bad"..but after he came out to complain i then had to pay 200 foir the stardard ticket and then i tipped 200 for teh hj, maybe if he was alone they would have demanded and made trouble if he didnt pay 1mill. My point is a possible expensive MISS, could have been 1.2 mill but only ended up being 400k
Later i took him to the d1 bbbj places...bad service and bad attitude in teh room from teh girl..anoother miss but only 400k miss

NOW when i go to my cheap places, if its a miss it may only be 150k loss, or maybe at most 200k.
But look at the hits.
One time i found a 9 at a bbbj cafe sure the looks was good but service was bad...but having s 19yr old 9 suck your dick badly at teh cost of 100k makes it worth it esp when u can feel her breats and young pussy.
I found some pretty 8's in teh d8 bbbbj cafe until they go closed, again 100k cost.
Yesterday i was exploring d12 and hoc mon...at 1pm i went into cafe om...found a 19yr old 7...i knew it would be something unsual when instead of pulling down her pants and cleaning my dick she straddled me and was kissing me. It ended up with me finger fucking and eating her young pussy and her fucking my face. I knew if i was a idiot i could have bb fucked her as she was so worked up , but in the end she gave me a excellent return bj. cost 120k but i gave extra 80k tip.
A few hours later i visited a hot toc where a 20yr old gave me a decent and cheerful bj, technique wanst great i couldnt cum but again she was a n ice girl 7 again in looks, cost 150k
on the way home i spotted another cafe om inside where two 8s, i chose the younger looking one she looked 17, tyhe other one loosk 18. She wasnt freindly kind shy'ish wasnt unfriendly but reserved. Anyway really perky firm tits a great barely hair pussy and a "bad" bj, but all the good parts like a angelic face and young firms tits and pussy...definate worth the 120k cost.

So for all the guys who want to make out they are someone special because they can have access to certain girls for xyz dollars, unless u talking about 10k usd a shot girls, but if you talking about catwalk type girls, then sorry most guys would have access to those girls if they willing to spend that money. I get teh comment that using money somehow gets u a different higher class type of girl...and thats the misomer, if you fall for that false advertising then you would fall for anything

But you will never have access to my cheapies as you will never know how to find these girls.

Another points tehre is a nice samster i know, when i found out he recently went to cambodia i asked him how his trip was, it turns out he went tehre to visit his girl..after finding out some details about his girl he tried to tell me she was a good "normal" girl...but things didnt add up...anyway it turns out that he met her when she was a KTV girls in SINGAPORE, but supposedly back in her own country she was a normal gal kakak...so that enough was a distinction where he could create a illusion that HE WASNT dating a whore.

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

3 BJ in 1 day? got blood come out? :D

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

my girl in sihanoukville also stop working in KTV, i am also creating this illusion of mine, :p

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

Hi to all bros here. I'm in vietnam for the 3rd year alr is there a new ruling that we can't make visa for three months straight now can only 1 month cos for this pass three months I have been only extending it every month through my agent

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

I found an article in the paper that tells you where to pick up working girls and at which coffe shop, but its in vietnamese.

I have met a lot and bonked of girls through this method. These girls only go with customers they know, so you have to know how to speak a little bit of vietnamese. so basicly go to the coffee shops above, order coffee, pick a girl you like, chat with her, tip her 100k, make a 2nd visit by now she knows you well enough, get her number, wait until she is off work, then take her to a hotel near by.

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

thanks cheatdeath, interesting article :D

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

at the end of the article it mentions that the girls in these shops dont go with people they dont know, its seems that this measure is to prevent situations where cong an could arrest the both of you. If this measure works well, it practically commercializes the coffe shop sex trade in viet nam.

local guys with money who know how to speak vietnamese would have a hareem of women to choose from because of the huge selection of coffee shops in viet nam.

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

cheatdeath - nice article. got a question, is there a way to distinguish between the regular cafe's where there are pretty girls (but they dont go home with you) and these types of cafes?

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

In the article it mentions something about the way the girls are dressed. If you see coffeshops with girls showing a lot of leg and cleavage you know these girls will do work on the side. If you go to shops with loud music and dark lighting thats also a good sign.

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 

so is this a case of you readimg something in a newspapaer and making it your fake life experice or you actually did this..cuz if its the later why bother quote a newspaper article that is in a language most guys here cant read...and the paper quites she goes with Guys she KNOWS and she wanst 800k ..why bother tehre are plenty fo freelancers avail for 500k..dont even have to wait till 10pm when she finshies work...seems this is anotehr example of you being a closet cheongster...u might even be a virgin

this guy tells us that he succeeded with this method, saying local guys with money have a harem..well this is teh same guys who thought he hit the jackpot when his bank offered him a measely 10k loan, and he was asking how long he can live like a king in thailand with this money.

And to answer phighter..no there is no way to distinguish these girls and these types of cafe. The bottom mine is that in ANYjob these will be girls willing to fuck for cash, u cna find tese girls anywhere and everywhere..just need to time and effort..u can even make the "indecent" proposal to every girls u meet and im sure u will get yes in time.
My point is that if you want to not been seen as a pervert, or u wnat to get these girls as normal gf or u just wnat to be able to have a nice time "rua mat" then this avenue is not viable ESP when u have freelancers u can fuck for cheaper and more convenient time. Im the 5 yrs i have been here and the 1000's pof cafe girls i have known only teh most ugly plain janes will eb willing to fuck...the pretty ones have suickers tipping 100k-500k trying to seduce them and so they dont really need the cash for fucking. Thats not saying u cant make a gf out of them and fuck afterwards...but cheatdeaths idea of wooking a girls is satyinmg hey baby u so beaitifal u make me get a erection and i wanna fuck u...he also thinks he should go to thailand in midst of the demonstation meet a girls and talk politics and then this will get here hot and horney..check his post history...now tell me is this a guy you wanna take seriously