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Recently recommended a massage joint to a buddy. Told them to pay V200k tip.

End up some of his friends tip V500k.

We need to go to this massage every month; while all the "high tippers" may go 2-3 times a year.

Sianzzzz........sometime wonder why share and spoilt own playground.:(

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This thread gets more interesting today:D

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Thanks for the link. I am always into VN food. :)
Oh so u r the ass-fingerer. Hope u keep your nails short cos e coli can be really nasty. :eek:
Welcome back mutantchicken. :p

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Keep it coming so we all can learn..

Hope to be fascinated by Vietnam as a whole..

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Let me share something from recently trip maybe about three weeks back. I just have a trip to HCM and then taiwan. For my experience to HCM , girl are usually easy to know and are ok to meet out for cafe. So there how i get to know new girls each trip. Just have to slowly filter yourself.
Cut it short , i have a Frend who always stay in vietnam for months by extending visa, this trip he motor me to a place which i have no idea all i know is all the shop houses on one side, he just part his motor bike in and go up to second floor which a few girls are there. The whole street down the road are such shop, heard it use to be 300K but the price have already went up to 400K.Choose a girl bring you to a room and massage you, after that just bbbj you.Free to roam and they just auto take out bra and panties. Girls here normally do not know english and since my frend can speak ok tieng viet and been travelling around, he just manage to find this place.

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Besides D1, where else can I rent a motorbike ? Or which hotel provide motor bike? My usual hotel runs out of motor bikes..need to find alternatives..

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hey bros, in hcmc now, anyone can help a brother out and pm me some joints?

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wow that's some decent history searching from years ago..

well i've never been to hcm but ok i guess it's fair people stay guarded..

no worries haha.. i guess i could start searching from other sources

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There's a lot of discussion about pricing for our hobby in HCMC (and semi-follow-up to my last post about different type of KTV). So here's my two cents; I want to put things into perspective based on my understanding...

HCMC Rate
- Waiter/Waitress makes about 100k VND a day or about 2.5 million VND in salary per month with maybe 2-4 days off total
- Same goes for aesthetician you see at legit spa
- KTV girls at avg joint (not top joints) makes about 15-30 million VND
- Girls at top HJ massage (Dai Nam, Vien Dong, and the likes) joints net about 15-30 VND a month (after paying the house for the privilege in working there...)
- Girls at top pretty massage joints (that don't offer HJ/BJ/FS) makes around 10-20 million VND (although it was down for a while during the Chinese tourist downturn)
- Account Managers at int'l advertising agency makes about 20 million VND a month (with 3-5 years experience and strong English skill)

So when girls say "I only get tip (which is true), I don't get salary," it doesn't mean you need to be their hero and give them more than market rate. If they do their job proper they will usually hit the average and be better off than most of their peers who work normal job can ever do.

Another quick anecdote: less than 2 years ago, I tipped 100k on average to girls at pretty girl massage (no HJ/BJ/FS) and they're pretty okay with it. I know this because two of them that I really liked came out with me after work. No extra money although I of course paid for food, foot massage, taxi etc.

When I do get them in the sac I will give them some spending money (1 million each time). Nothing extravagant.

Turn the clock forward to current time. Now you give them 200k and they're asking for 300k. I usually stand by ground (200k) because I know that giving more tip doesn't make me more handsome or get me closer to getting laid. Exception being those bros that pay through the roof. If anything, they respect you more for knowing the numbers/standing your ground.

Still, that's quite a jump in price from 100k to 200k! I will post about most recent 'high class' KTV where the price completely floored me.

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Any bros will be in hcmc next week ?

will be there from thursday - sunday (24/09 - 27/09). This will be a solo trip , bros are free to join if keen or jio out for coffee :)

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really just coffee only?

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if you have other plans , we can discuss over coffee. haha

Thanks a lot. Most of the bikes rental places are at D1, which is quite far from where I stay. So trying to find something elsewhere.
Thanks for the warning earlier. I'm a licensed rider, and have been riding every trip to hcm.so far quite lucky, no mishap.

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I have walked the length & breadth of Pham Ngu Lao street and there isn't a single bike shop. What they have are agents or middlemen who will pocket a commission for making the connection.

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is it alot of bike thief case in all vietnam cities?

I've just passed by PNL..saw quite a few bike rental shops. Some are hidden in the back alleys. Unlikely you will miss it.

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just came back from HCMC... Stayed two nights at edenstar Saigon hotel.

quite a good hotel. rooftop bar/cafe + swimming pool. good breakfast. allow hotel guests to bring friends between 8am till 10pm. if stay overnight, just register the girl's full name as "wife" with hotel lobby. if not, just make sure you guys don't go out of the hotel after 10pm...

Has a MZ wine bar & disco just a few mins down the same street and a few hair salons also down the same street. in the next street, Le Thi Rieng, there is a very pretty xmm operating a massage parlor (clean one)

my main mission for this trip was to spend fucktime with a 23y/o local uni girl whom I met in hcmc about 6months ago. already confirmed my trip timing etc with her about 3 days before I fly... but turned out, one day before i fly she told me that she has a job interview with ogilvy...

nvm...quickly changed my plan and contacted another vb single mum 25y/o, met her at highland coffee cafe (next to Renaissance Hotel) about 8 months ago...we both queuing up to place our orders and she helped me out because i can't speak vietnamese at all

this was one motherfucking wet mum & a squirter too... we fucked each other crazy...

planning to go back again in Nov... anyone here can recommend a good "girlfriend" friendly hotel in HCMC? really dislike the trouble to register vb names...

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My experience tells me that 4-5 stars hotel are completely not girl-friendly (meaning they don't even let girls in after 10pm). Best to go for 2-3 stars. Even then, most of them do require some form of registration or another.

Heck, the first apartment I stayed at also require registration. Thankfully, my current one doesn't. So you might want to check out AirBnB. Just my two cents

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Found out about new full service massage joint in district 7 of HCMC (Saigon) via another bro I met from my latest KTV adventure. Now, I'm always on a lookout for new BBBJ barbershop or FS massage in town. With BBBJ barbershop, my friend and I just need to find some new faces (as we'd basically repeat our usual haunt too often). With FS massage, we just want to find one that offer real massage first...Dai Nam/Vien Dong with FS so to speak (but not expecting same look).

For bros that punt here, you'll know that most FS massage joints in Vietnam's major cities tend to be straight fuck. There's no real massage involved like the good old days. For me, a decent-to-good massage is like a nice foreplay. I'm sure some of you felt like banging your masseuse after a nice massage session even if she looks just average. I know I do. The hook for this place is that the girls will give you full-on massage first.

So off we go via good old Uber to D7. The place is nestled in a quiet corner of Phu Mi Hong (that pseudo Singapore area of HCMC). A bit hard to find...on purpose as I found out later. Fortunately my new friend passed mamasan's contact plus address to me first...so I was able to have her book girls for me based on my spec (and my bro that went with me) and explained to Uber driver.

When we got there, we were pleasantly surprised by the cleanliness of the place...located inside a 2/3 stars hotel. More pleasant surprise, the mamasan I spoke to actually book girls fairly close to the specifications I gave. For Vietnam, this is completely unusual as they tend to ignore your specification and bring you what's convenient first (unless you're an established regular customer).White skin. Big tit. Nice/pleasant face (although we did adjust our expectation a bit because we know that they will not look like girls from Dai Nam or Vien Dong).

While she introduced the two girls she booked for us, she also lined up the rest and allowed us to choose alternative...another nice touch! I agreed to my original booking while my friend chose another. Went to room. Another surprise. This is probably the cleanest/nicest room I'd been to as far as FS/BBBJ/HJ massage are concerned in Vietnam. It contains clean private bathroom with shower so you can clean up before/after.

Proceed to oil massage. Definitely nice massage. Not the best by any stretch but I would say a good notch above Vien Dong/Dai Nam. Good enough to make me feel relax...and horny. She probably spent around 40 or so minutes on it. Toward the end, a lot of massage around the groin area with technique to push blood circulation that way. Nice. Then she said the magic phrase "you want?" Yes. She told me to wait a bit then left the room.

She came back with another outfit! As I found out later, this outfit makes it more convenient to fuck. Nice. When she peeled off her top as she starts to light kiss around my thigh and legs area, I can see massive tits..with tattoo above her left breast. "This girl is dirty," I thought myself...by 'dirty' I mean it's going to be one of those nice dirty sex. Sure enough, when she finally took my cock in her mouth, she really know her stuff. She alternated that with sucking on my balls and even worked her way down all the way to my rectum! Wow.

Finally she capped me and mounted me. The way she was holding and stroking her own tits while she's pumping me. Then we when got to missionary she played with her own clit. Man, she was definitely dirty in the best possible way! We finally finished off doggy. She looked disappointed when she told me "I didn't finish yet." I told her that in my experience, most WGs prefer not to finish atwork...because that made them tired and harder to work rest of the day (I was her first customer that day). She said, "I just go take a nap after." Man. This girl is definitely sexual.

This whole time, zero mention of tip.

Cost: 1 million VND to the girl (you can give her directly or give to the house) and 300k VND to the house


FACE: 6.5/10
BODY: 7/10 (one of those voluptuous body marred by that tattoo)
TIT: 6.5/10 (big...but aureola area looked a bit weird...and got slight enhancement more to keep its shape because original size was already big)
SERVICE: 9/10
RTF: Yes

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Cap Town Hotel (3 star) walking distant to Ben Thanh
Can bring girl to stay overnight hotel must hold their ID until she leave.

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Will be going to nv this week, staying at rosabelle Saigon , any fun over there?

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Thanks for the warning. Might as well take this opportunity to share intel on how to best deal if you're ever in a situation where the raid happens while you're partaking the hobby.

Possible outcomes

a. Police try to take photo. Usually they try to take photo of the girl as opposed to you. Just quickly walk out and shield your face.

b. Police try to shake you down. Just say you don't speak Vietnamese (in English). They don't like the hassle of tackling foreigners believe it or not.

c. If they're persistent, slip them 500k VND.

d. Worst situation where they take you to police station. You'll need to call someone you trust (to keep the whole situation discreet) to come pick you up at the station. The fine is 1 million VND.


Scenarios:

1. You're caught in the act. More likely that they'll either try to (B) with threat of (D). You can get away with not speaking VN or at worst using (C). This will usually work.

2. You're caught but just lying on the table not doing the deed. They have nothing on you . Just try to walkaway calmly.

Remember, the main goal of LE is to shake down the big fish aka owner of the massage shop. Your bribe doesn't amount to much in scheme of things.

Also, booking you means a lot of time they're wasting on filling out paperwork...and likely pocket nothing. So a slip of 500K makes more sense to them.

My friend was in scenario 2 before and he was able to walkaway easily with no hassle.

The only time I experienced shake down first hand is at a newly opened KTV. Even then, the discussion was mainly between the LE and the mgmt. I walked down to wait at lobby. LE saw us and told us "don't worry. this is just a routine inspection. please continue to enjoy your evening." Hilarious stuff until you realize that LE also don't want KTV to go out of business since it is their cashcow.

I'm not complete authority on this but this post is based on above experience plus consulting local lawyer friends.

You'll notice in most of the news that there are never photos of the punters. Usually girls with their face turn away and proprietors (likely ones who evaded paying proper monthly bribe at that..because if you do...i don't see it happens).

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i guess its the same practice... But I remember previously I stayed a few times at Liberty Saigon Riverside hotel, the hotel lobby staff didn't hold my VB's ID at all...

probably will try other 2-3 star hotels

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I think most hotels requires your girl to register their names, I guess it's for safety reasons.

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Being communist country, they actually want to be able to keep tab of all going/coming of the people in their country. The local VN girl registration requirement is actual law. Actual law also states local VN girl cannot stay overnight with foreigners unless married. Pretty archaic but that's still the case.

Thankfully most hotels stick to just registration as opposed to no local VN female visitor to room after 10 pm...although hotels like Somerset has that written clearly on their placecard inside room (and I promptly checked out next day never to return).

My friends and I have legit businesses (or work for) here and we have to deal with regular visits by various civil servants all with one goal in mind; bribe fee based on a lot of laws you won't think exist (but do to enrich them by allowing interpretation in their favour).

Almost every aspect of most businesses no matter how legitimate, will somehow be subject to interpretation that result in paying some sort of expedite fee or wait/wait/wait.

If it makes you feel any better, local SME may even have it worst in certain business categories.

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thanks densha! didn't know that its an actual law.

I only know that prostitution in Vietnam is illegal. most girls I know in vietnam, hold regular day jobs and are discreetly sexually active after 7pm.

recently added a 18 y/o vn girl I know from a Barber hair salon... she is already asking me when I am coming back to hcmc to bring her out

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hmmmmmm... highly educated and qualified do not naturally means that this person must know everything. "School-smart" and "Street-smart" are two entirely different "School of Thoughts".

but if you wanna see things that way, by all means go ahead :)

those countries I visit... I prefer to "hunt", while my guy friends they prefer "fuck & fuck off"...
after reading from Wizrd's thread on [Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging], I know that hooking girls require more patience and many-a-times you may not get any rewards at all...

but at least I know when i approach these girls, my intention is not "Sex for money"... I want them to become my fb, my companion, whenever I travel to hcmc. in return i treat them like my gf.

the vb milf I bonked last week in hcmc, co-owns a japanese bar in district 1... low hanging fruit? if you see it that way... go ahead. nobody's stopping you.

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The fact that we're all in this hobby means we all LOVE low hanging fruits.

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LOW hanging fruits :cool:

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1...hong-women.jpg

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Latest update: Vien Dong Hotel is undergoing renovations. But the spa is still open for business although one has to walk through the dust & debris to enter. I think their business will be affected and only die-hard supporters will still patronise the place. :D