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Hurricane88 25-02-2016 05:54 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14261135)
the problem that people have with you is your hypocirsy, you want others to share their info with YOU, but u unwilling to share anything BACK, further u abuse your power and delete posts that dont fit your agenda...i mean take for your postsing you dont evenm post the street name...at least the poster here mentioned teh street name...dont even deny you have done that

hypocirsy - pot calling kettle black...:p

you can always dun post in my section if you think anything worst...knew you won't because of your hidden agenda...:)

Hurricane88 25-02-2016 05:55 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoian (Post 14260866)
These are just clones/frens/clone's frens/etc talking and upping themselves. All same MO (modus operandi)... create some fake stories... no head+tail given... eventually some newbie curiousity is piqued and they PM the grandmaster pimp called MC aka Tom-watever for more info. Then money is asked in return for more details. In mktg we call this "clickbait"... oldest trick in town.

Any fool can tell u that KTVs are the biggest tourist traps in VN. I would consider KTV only if i need to entertain big-time clients from China/Korea/Japan & all expenses can be charged to my company.

talking of the fool and he is back biting at me...:)

ban once can ban again if he is not careful...:)

FireShark 25-02-2016 05:55 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurricane88 (Post 14261012)
corrections...I am not a big fan off ktv...just that when friends there with me...they need gals as companion for the night...now only way is to bring them to ktv to select...FL is not a good bet...Wechat no thanks full of scam...so left with no choice...

if I am alone, I live healthy and sleep early by 9pm..

Hahaha; I need vb as companion too but u didn't refer to me :p:D:p

Once you post your comment here; there will be a lot pple trying to shoot u down. Still can't understand why others behave such

Hurricane88 25-02-2016 06:01 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireShark (Post 14261177)
Hahaha; I need vb as companion too but u didn't refer to me :p

Once you post your comment here; there will be a lot pple trying to shoot u down. Still can't understand why others behave such

you need vb meh...:)

only the idiotic fool who I recommend to ban before will shoot me here....anyway no time to argue with him...his posts are yawnzzzz....:)

we better off enjoy ourselves elsewhere with such fool around...:)

woaivietbu 25-02-2016 06:14 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taikoo0 (Post 14260863)
Not entirely true, the street name he wrote good enough for many to locate those KTV om (most with number as signboard) and the pricing structure can be a guideline to those newbie even though pricing varies from each ktv om. Unless u want the actual shop he went then u may have to pm him, provided he wish to share.

Yeah taiko totally understand what I am trying to do here. Also if i provide the address and if people don't find it good, doesn't it make me somewhat a "scammer"?

If any bros are going there without any knowledge on their local KTV om, sharing knowledge is how we can help any bros out there to avoid getting carrot chopped. :):)

GTTTT 25-02-2016 06:58 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
My FR on recent weekend solo trip to Hcm. My first trip since a few years ago. Walked so much till I got blisters. Anyone with a xe om rider for hire by hr/day (and can speak english even better)? Please share, thanks. Going HCM again in March. Any kaki? Lol.

Arrived late so just stay ard PGN d1. Cheong at bui vien girl bars for some tcss and play pool. Many cute slim girls and they flock around you for lady drinks (50-90k a drink depend on bar). Some offer fj for 1.5-2m. Went around till 4am felt super tired so went back alone to sleep. In the morning went to duyen dang massage. The girl asked for minimum 300k tips at the end. Wth?! We have spoiled market liao lah...

Explored around tan binh district. The hot tocs i went for bj last time are all gone. There are a few Korean style haircut shops with girls in short dresses on street next to Saigon superbowl. 200k+100k tips for facial/cut/massage but it's clean as all done on chairs in the shop not in rooms. Not much luck in this area.

Went to NPK d1. Tried 3 of the hot toc. IMO shop 84 girls have the best service (and allow cim). I was pretty cummed-out after testing so much for the sake of research hahaha. Damage at 84 is 500k. Other places on Npk also 400-500k. Very hard to negotiate with mummy for lower.
Special mention for foodies: there's a yummy hu tieu nam vang shop on TQK (walk out of npk & turn right).

Explored THD and SVH d5. Saw a few karaokes that looked promising but didn't try maybe next time. There's a area with many short time hotels with many wechat girls. 800k full service from a 20~yr slim and fair but she was a bit starfish. :/ Then went to relax at spa (hotel near windsor) it has jacuzzi and sauna too. 20mins into the massage girl offer hj for 300k. She strip off her top and let me autoroam, even into her panties. I was too shagged to cum so just play with her firm tits and wet pussy until time up.

woaivietbu 25-02-2016 07:19 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTTTT (Post 14261372)
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Went to NPK d1. Tried 3 of the hot toc. IMO shop 84 girls have the best service (and allow cim). I was pretty cummed-out after testing so much for the sake of research hahaha. Damage at 84 is 500k. Other places on Npk also 400-500k. Very hard to negotiate with mummy for lower.
Special mention for foodies: there's a yummy hu tieu nam vang shop on TQK (walk out of npk & turn right).

Explored THD and SVH d5. Saw a few karaokes that looked promising but didn't try maybe next time. There's a area with many short time hotels with many wechat girls. 800k full service from a 20~yr slim and fair but she was a bit starfish. :/ Then went to relax at spa (hotel near windsor) it has jacuzzi and sauna too. 20mins into the massage girl offer hj for 300k. She strip off her top and let me autoroam, even into her panties. I was too shagged to cum so just play with her firm tits and wet pussy until time up.

Sry dont mind me asking, where in D1 is NPK, seen this abbreviation coule of times but still dont know where it is .

Thanks in advance! :D

GTTTT 25-02-2016 10:29 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14261720)
remember this quote?

Hahaha. Yeah I kinda knew I was overtipping but they can be really pushy. :'(
Next time I'll just pass 400 and go.

Hoping senior bros will post more about expected damage at various mongering places so we can know how much is normal.

Paulaner 25-02-2016 11:45 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Your posting is always so Long winded , I always just scroll down n goes to the next post

Paulaner 25-02-2016 11:48 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTTTT (Post 14261372)
My FR on recent weekend solo trip to Hcm. My first trip since a few years ago. Walked so much till I got blisters. Anyone with a xe om rider for hire by hr/day (and can speak english even better)? Please share, thanks. Going HCM again in March. Any kaki? Lol.

Arrived late so just stay ard PGN d1. Cheong at bui vien girl bars for some tcss and play pool. Many cute slim girls and they flock around you for lady drinks (50-90k a drink depend on bar). Some offer fj for 1.5-2m. Went around till 4am felt super tired so went back alone to sleep. In the morning went to duyen dang massage. The girl asked for minimum 300k tips at the end. Wth?! We have spoiled market liao lah...

Explored around tan binh district. The hot tocs i went for bj last time are all gone. There are a few Korean style haircut shops with girls in short dresses on street next to Saigon superbowl. 200k+100k tips for facial/cut/massage but it's clean as all done on chairs in the shop not in rooms. Not much luck in this area.

Went to NPK d1. Tried 3 of the hot toc. IMO shop 84 girls have the best service (and allow cim). I was pretty cummed-out after testing so much for the sake of research hahaha. Damage at 84 is 500k. Other places on Npk also 400-500k. Very hard to negotiate with mummy for lower.
Special mention for foodies: there's a yummy hu tieu nam vang shop on TQK (walk out of npk & turn right).

Explored THD and SVH d5. Saw a few karaokes that looked promising but didn't try maybe next time. There's a area with many short time hotels with many wechat girls. 800k full service from a 20~yr slim and fair but she was a bit starfish. :/ Then went to relax at spa (hotel near windsor) it has jacuzzi and sauna too. 20mins into the massage girl offer hj for 300k. She strip off her top and let me autoroam, even into her panties. I was too shagged to cum so just play with her firm tits and wet pussy until time up.

Your posting is so boring to read , too Long winded. I always scroll down n move to the next ones . I don't know how what guys thinks ?

Wendella 25-02-2016 11:58 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
OK I hear you. I did enjoy reading it. I'm not a KTV guy so I won't be PMing you for it, but thanks. BTW that was me with the 8 points, can't remember if I signed it or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by woaivietbu (Post 14260748)
Well, its not that i don't have the address, but after reading a number of posts from the past, i've come to a realisation that many people goes there and spoil market...

Why would you want to provide addresses to people who spoils market?

If you really want the address, you can just PM me and ask for address. It will be also good that if you are able to share somewhere fun for my next trip there as well

Anyway, my post was a general FR of KTV price rates / tips etc..

Hope you do see where I'm coming from and protect the playground of those whom are willing to explore, rather then those who ate just passively obtaining information here without any effort or contribution.

Cheers!


Wendella 26-02-2016 12:09 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14261135)
Not looking to fan the flames or start a fight but just to point out a few inconsistancy..firstly remeber there was a guy who posted her and ISG used name ecci and something else..he posted a review of KTV with prices and used names like 13, stocking etc etc, and your applauded him, well i cant see how that diiffrent from this situation, likewise on ISG tehre was a report abt a online girl, and tehre was no actual mention of the details of the just that he got her off one of the webistes, i complain that such a post is highly unhelpful, u defended him saying that it was enough that he posted telling us that it was possible to get a girl online...finally looking at your own posts, i see plenty of NON details yourself...giving very vage details only someone like myself would know...so not to say to much but i think there should be consistancy in our criticism...and this doesnt even address the criticism directed at me but thats a old story

I like this new way you combine all your criticisms of everyone into one giant post. And also that I've been upgraded from hypocritical to inconsistent. I might be inconsistent. Consistency is hard for some of us. But we are so lucky to have the hypocrisy and inconsistency police working here, their eyes always watching, keeping us safe. And for free, no less.

Wendella 26-02-2016 12:16 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulaner (Post 14262410)
Your posting is so boring to read , too Long winded. I always scroll down n move to the next ones . I don't know how what guys thinks ?

Just my own personal opinion here... I don't think a post is boring if it is long. To me at least, long ones are usually MORE interesting, not less. What bores me are the short ones that are meaningful to only a select few, like the TCSS thread is full of.

You should see me when I get on a roll. A few members have received PMs like that from me, some story or another, sometimes too long for a single PM, have to continue it in a 2nd PM. (so I'll make sure not to send any like that to you!)

Guess we just have different tastes.

Vespa01 26-02-2016 08:44 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurricane88 (Post 14261012)
if I am alone, I live healthy and sleep early by 9pm...

Next time when you are in Hcm let me know, i introduce my favourite girls for you to finger their asshole. It is kind of additive and good way for you to kill time in Hcm. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by woaivietbu (Post 14260748)
Well, its not that i don't have the address, but after reading a number of posts from the past, i've come to a realisation that many people goes there and spoil market...

I total agree with your approach, when everyone share info freely, there be left with no one to contact me for bringing them around :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by woaivietbu (Post 14261458)
Sry dont mind me asking, where in D1 is NPK, seen this abbreviation coule of times but still dont know where it is .

NPK stand for Nguyen Phi Khanh Street, it is just 1 street away from Tran Quang Khai and you can find all the hot toc goi doc which clean your small head with their suction. Beware of sexually transmitted disease if you want to visit such places. :D

canrec 27-02-2016 01:16 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Tried a girl on danchoi for the first time.

Ok I admit I am a noob Becuase I don't speak tieng viet and I message many girls but none replied so thought must put a password to the massage so tried message again and only 1 replied in tan binh district

Was directed to a short time hotel in tan binh( outside the hotel say 2 gio 70,000vnd) but dunno why I come out 2 hours later it cost me 120,000(maybe their mineral water cost 50,000) or the condom they pass to me cost me some money too. Taxi driver smile when I said the short time hotel address and keep say biet khach San. Guess maybe he went there before too

So waited for nearly 40 mins inside and remessage the girl. So i guess we need to message the girl the room number after we get the room number(me being noob again). 2 other girls who say they are free 40mins ago ignore me when I got my room. Guess moral of story is I Shd get a room there first before asking if girl is free

Girl came and look a bit similiar to picture on the website but older. Website put 22 tuoi but girl Noi 29 tuoi. When I shower myself she put on the song 包容(dunno why so many Vietnam girls love this song) and immediately I ask her if she speak Chinese and she say yes ��. She has a boyfriend in Singapore who did not want marry her haha

Well service is just normal as Singapore cat 50 Fj but with longer timing

Guess that was my first time trying website girls . Maybe will stick to massage parlour where girls from Mekong delta are hotter and younger.

Total cost 600k for girl and 120k for hotel

O she mentioned that the number on the website is all the agent and not the girls number

canrec 27-02-2016 02:15 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14266635)
doesnt sound like a good experiecne care to tell us her name so we can AVOID her..even tho i think its not that hard to CSI who she is Ngọc Hường?..and yeah she def doenst look young....def u got a bad egg with that choice...she isnt worth 600...prob 300-400 max...def better younger girls in the 500k range...but they require a certain style of messaging...if u sound too foreigner they will ignore...lots guys say these girls refuse foireigners, whilst many say they accept...ill say this the better looking girls WILL refuse as dealing with foregners too many complications and if you paying the same, they rather deal with locals...so in that question if they accept or deal with foreigners there is not a yes and no answer.....just like wechat girls if i use english and talk to them they will reply, but if i use vietnamese they often wont reply...why because they know i can get better options than the crazy prices the are asking for...only clueless foreigners willing... I also UPPEd you atleast you bothered to make a post thats helpful in a small way so that we know who to avoid, unlike those just posting pics (wendella)
ps your experiece is one of teh reasons i dont try website girls 600k+ as your experince cost u 600+120k ie 720...for 80k more i can go to my secret brothels i can choose a girl in front of me for 800k and then go upstairs and take a full 1 hr before i have to leave
pss maybe you werent were scammed with the room...if the sign says 70k for 2hrs and u used 2 hours 5min then its 100k, then 10k for drink and 10k condom


Thanks bro

First time expeience so was a noob in that maybe I wasn't lucky with it
Message 10 over girls but only 2 replied

Nghe Danh: huong ly

Not sure if that means that is her name as I don't understand viet

Maybe true that I did exceed 1/5 minutes well maybe hope I have better luck next time

Wendella 27-02-2016 09:46 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Just woke up and having coffee, came across this conversation.

You guys know, we have already received the blessing to post links here for these websites. Just due to the fact that the girl's looks in terms of age and details is being discussed, I think it would be interesting if people reading here can actually see what you are talking about. I hope you don't mind -- if you do, PM me and I will delete the link out of courtesy).

(there was a link here to the ad but after what H88 said below I came back and edited it out -- actually danchoi removed that ad for some reason, maybe it was getting too many hits due to being posted here, dunno)

this is the pic of the girl in question. Since it's a former ad now, and no link, it should surely be ok to put here.

http://s21.postimg.org/r92g2hzmf/H58_A8474.jpg

My own comment, I would see this ad and immediately think she was older. This one is not my type at all. My type would be more like this:

http://s26.postimg.org/wrfki1255/IMG_0002.jpg

(note: Tom had trouble with a girl who used this one's photos in her own ad a while back -- it's from a current ad on danchoi and easy to find, it's district 10 and price is 1 million)

Tom has a point about using the FS massage for ones over 600, and that's wise of course, but truth is that the expensive ones often do turn out to be truly hot in looks. It's a gamble. What one could do would be to go there and get the room, and if she shows up and is hot, do it. If she's not, cancel it. You're out the cost of the room only. To be honest, reports I hear (PM) about the expensive ones are that sometimes the girl who shows up is beautiful and sometimes the girl who shows up is disappointing.

So that's the main drawback with the websites, there is always a risk, even at higher prices. But you risk only the price of the room. And your precious time, of course.

Hurricane88 27-02-2016 10:30 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
mod will be reading so pls dun keep posting and promote the website and 1 particular gal...:)

any strong recommendation publicly will be deemed advertising with personal interest which mod will delete...you can use pm which is private....:)

Wendella 27-02-2016 04:56 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurricane88 (Post 14267434)
mod will be reading so pls dun keep posting and promote the website and 1 particular gal...:)

any strong recommendation publicly will be deemed advertising with personal interest which mod will delete...you can use pm which is private....:)

Sorry about that, I thought you had given us the greenlight to do that. My misunderstanding.

Since I posted that, the ad was taken down from danchoi actually, so I can just delete those links.

woaivietbu 29-02-2016 01:53 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vespa01 (Post 14263368)
NPK stand for Nguyen Phi Khanh Street, it is just 1 street away from Tran Quang Khai and you can find all the hot toc goi doc which clean your small head with their suction. Beware of sexually transmitted disease if you want to visit such places. :D

alright man thanks for the information. maybe my next trip can go there to take a walk and see how's things like

risingup 02-03-2016 11:04 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Hope to go to HCMC in June, wonder if there is any guide for staying, tranpsort and cheonging which i can take reference to? The posts in this thread appear to be too advanced to the first time hcmc cheonger

Wendella 02-03-2016 01:24 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by risingup (Post 14283054)
Hope to go to HCMC in June, wonder if there is any guide for staying, tranpsort and cheonging which i can take reference to? The posts in this thread appear to be too advanced to the first time hcmc cheonger

agoda and tripadvisor for hotels. 3 star and under are GF.

taxi and uber (or simliar) for transport

cheonging RTFF, or rather RTF (I don't see the need for the extra F)

narrow down your question about cheonging -- what are you looking for? what kinds of venues do you prefer?

hoian 02-03-2016 06:06 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
RTFF = Return To Fuck (for) Free
... or maybe shld be RTFFF. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wendella (Post 14283583)
cheonging RTFF, or rather RTF (I don't see the need for the extra F)...


thunderbird 03-03-2016 11:09 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Hi, I am going to HCMC on 14 March. Not been there for a long time. Any good suggestions for cheonging, or contact for dabao viet beau to hotel (ST or LT)..? Any bro care to share...! 🙏🙏

Wendella 06-03-2016 10:38 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14295444)
when it looks good but...

but what?

.,.,.,.

Hokilai 06-03-2016 11:29 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
HI Everyone,

I am a new member here, please enlightened me master and all the senior *bowing*

for work reason,I just stationed in HCMC since last couple of months.

I have visited Liberty 2, Minh Minh Tam 2 and Ben ny's hot toc

Do you guys have any recommendation for full service massage ?

I noticed there is a salon full of sexy lady dressed in short skirt with colourful dressed across the Hindu temple near cho benh thanh . is that a salon with extra service ?

Thank you

Glad to stumble upon this forum, especially this thread

Peace ..!!

Wendella 07-03-2016 09:56 AM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14302792)
apples and oranges

Just moving this issue to this thread, it's nothing to do with Tieng Viet.

Yeah you said I'm comparing apples and oranges. My point was that you oppose sharing locations in the thread, but are very much in favor of guys sharing which exact girls they went with along with their FR describing how it was with her.

Looked at from one perspective. Both of these are just necessary pieces of information to get to go have a meeting with a cute girl, or even a particular cute girl. If one wants to meet a girl, he needs to know where to go (address) and identity of the girl (name). He needs both. So the apple and orange are similar in one way in that they're both just 2 different but necessary pieces of info.

Me, I'm more interested in location. If I know where to go, I can handle making my own choice out of the lineup there, and accept the risk. If I go there and there is nothing there that's interesting to me, those are the breaks, that's life, nothing more you can do about it. If following up enough leads like that, eventually one will know of some fairly consistently good places. Or at least find some places worth checking back in occasionally.

Also, as I posted in the other forum, it really diminishes the experience for me if I know the girl I'm meeting is an internet superstar being much discussed in the forum with pictures and detailed description of the performance and everything. One girl who was previously near the top of my list now holds no interest for me at all due to that development.

If an individual girl's identity (name and / or pic along with where to find her) goes up in these forums, it's probable she'll be overexposed in short time. Ruined basically. What happened with this recent one was just to a degree that was unbelievable. She practically has a thread over there dedicated to her alone. One post after another with her name as the big bold headline. Photos in one post after another. Just no discretion at all. Sharing can be fine, but by PM, and to people you know, one to one.

Wendella 07-03-2016 02:42 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Good response. That's a good point about how if one goes to a place that's shared, that 9 guys out of 10 pick the same girl, so same result. I know what you mean.

Also the point about how if 20-30 girls get reported, then no problem. I mean this recent flood of reports about just one girl, it just reached the point of absurdity.

Abut the place we talked about via PM, well part of that was that I promised you not to share it, that was our deal. Honestly I was about to share that with one person, and I told you about that, but decided to keep it under wraps, and I think for some good reasons, ones you are aware of and talk about sometimes, and I think you are not wrong on that.

I'm not sure what you mean by asking about specific girls via PM. I'm rolling back in my brain trying to think of when I've done that. I have. Once was AT in other forum, one he posted pics of. Another was with Luke, the same superstar web girl we were just discussing. Once was back in September I think, curious about a girl one member went to see in D8 (right before he flew out) to see if it was one on my list. (it was) Those are the only 3 I can think of. Wait there was one other, back in Oct or Nov, turned out to not be anything of interest to me, not on my list. With AT, before I got his reply I remembered the girl he showed a pic of was one I had myself spotted a night or 2 earlier. For Luke, actually it was me who sent HIM the profile from DC telling him I tried to go meet that girl a few days earlier, curious to know if it was same one he had met. It was. (amazing coincidence!) Now here is something: I have not gone and met ANY of these girls. I think it's more about my sense of curiosity. I just remembered another: the guy who posted about the web girl who had a non-slim mid-riff. Huong Ly I think was the name. That was more about getting a look at the bad experience you 2 were discussing. I put the photo in the thread so people could get a look at what you 2 were talking about, which I think makes it more interesting to someone reading. Anyway, you make it sound like I'm angling to get free tips on girls to go with. I think by now you do realize I'm straight with you, and I think you can see it's not like that.

pting 07-03-2016 02:50 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter (Post 14287317)
Cost? 80k ticket, 200k tipp, 20k service and 5k bike = 325k thats a bargain, the girl was a northen girl slim tall and fair skin, was ok face wise, prob a 6.5/7, 22yrs old...

Should the tip for girl the same between normal and VIP room? The girl do more in VIP room like bath customer.
200K is based on HJ, how about similar massage with bj as happy ending? What is the appropriate tip amount?
Thanks.

Jliew 07-03-2016 10:30 PM

Re: Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)
 
Just back from hcm. Only had time for wechats, some hits and misses. I've a couple of "matching" ones (face match to pic) and i asked them if they mind that i share their contacts, usually frm 1m to 1.3m, think thats the rate if you are lazy.


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