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Originally Posted by MoJoe313
Career success and self worth are linked, unfortunately. It is very hard to explain it to you. Up there, people deal with people they like, not people they have to.
Saying all females have self worth is like saying all females have a conscience. Or as good as not saying. I like to imagine a prostitute's self worth as being praiseworthy.
Many marriages here are on the rocks because they went the "conservative way" of choosing a relationship?! Nothing can be further from the truth! It is precisely because they had premarital sex thats why they are comparing how great sex was before marriage, and now it sucks. What conservative way?! Man, you have a bad habit of not reading things here. And you are arguing for the sake of arguing, outwitting even yourself just to sound right.
Bros who had premarital sex think their marriage is on the rocks purely because there is infrequent sex after marriage whereas I was opining that communication, not sex should have been the crux if it was done the right way.
I count 99 bros here who complain their marriage is failing because of sex related issues. No sex at home, wife caught him having sex etc. Not a single one complained their marriage is failing because they did not communicate enough. Precisely my point that such marriages, because of premarital sex, is based on expectations of sex not communication.
You are not liberal. You just don't have a daughter. When you have one, all arguments for premarital sex is garbage boys use to lure your daughter into bed.
You are doing your job to argue girls into it. I am doing my job to stop mine from becoming prey. Peace, bro.
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Dude, I already said that I didn't read the earlier ones earlier, so my argument are in a way irrelevant to the general topic at hand. Ricky was nice here and asked for an explanation to my reasoning so I merely clarified what I wanted to say. You saw what I wrote and you made a comment which kind of led into this area of discussion.So it was never about the general topic so your statistics can be tossed out of the window. But yet I see something interesting to discuss as your views of sex is one of derogatory in nature other than sex with your spouse - hence my discussion with you. My arguments that I was trying to make to you see is that sex is necessary as a part of why you chose your future partner, sex is not derogatory in nature, and lastly, that a women's self worth and sex are separate and totally irrelevant issues. You fear sex as a tool to harm women, I see sex as a tool to empower women. And by that, I do not mean for women to go loose and be a whore, spreading their legs at any and every guy. Its about knowing enough of what is needed to make better choices in relationships. Character compatibility is important, sexual compatibility is important as well. The more doors of uncertainty you close before marriage, the better the marriage will be.
Lastly, I see you as one of a group think mentality - because you have gone into your own little world without much consideration. Life to many is linear, studied when young, serve NS, work, find a gf to marry and have kids, grow old, and die. Some aspects were not thought of and it is without fault. 12 years ago I could have been the in the same situation and would have thought the same things, but things took a different turn for me and allowed me time to observe others in motion. I do not view myself greater than anyone - only that I am fortunate that I have time in an otherwise very busy and hectic world.
So, lets agree to disagree. As I said, I'm sorry for not reading properly what the contents of this thread is, my above statements are not of this topic but my views of the importance of sex before marriage.