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Originally Posted by hoian
So pls tell me what "di choi ko ru" means using your Google Translate?
How about: "Vjet saj ma ng khac hjeu thj cug 0k ruj"
No cheating by asking local friends, ok?
You are the expert. My tv is zero.
PS: Btw "ru" is not a short form as u mentoned. But pls teach me more, I am eager to learn frm the expert.
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Haha! Expert?!?!? If I was an expert, I wouldn't be using Google Translate! Yes my tv (short for "Tieng Viet", or "Vietnamese" for those here who now think you don't own a television) is not far away from your own.
(you and I are the infamous v-tards here) But that's the point. I'm now fully capable of communicating as much as I want with anyone here in VN.
You're trying to challenge it now with messages that would only happen if you were receiving SMS from someone who doesn't know you are a foreigner. If you are there with the girl, she would never write either of those messages.
I already said bad grammar and abbreviations (your first example) will make it not work -- and of course if they omit entire words and punctuation the same goes. (your first example LOOKS like a single clause but is really 2 -- yours has 2 (like 2 separate sentences) but appears to have one the way it is written -- it lacks a subject in the first and subject and object in the 2nd -- go play not invite -- that's word for word -- but it really should be 'you went to play, but you didn't invite me". Note the omitted words and comma, all very important. And for sure no girl sitting with you who knows you are a foreigner and using Google Translate is going to type that second example. After the very first translation she will get that she has to write normally, not in SMSese. And actually these days most girls ALREADY know how to do it. Nearly all of them already have the app on their phones and they have used it a lot.
Obviously, your 2nd example, if someone types replacing all the i's with j's, deliberately misspell words, using a zero instead of o, etc. yes of course that would take a human to process. The app can't mind-read. I've been using the app a couple years now and no girl has ever written me such a message when we are sitting there in person, or who knows I'm a foreigner, and I only ever got ones like that when the person on other end presumed I was Vietnamese, and that is only website girls.
In real life, 2 people will be sitting together trying to communicate. If one translation fails, they will just try again, adjusting the words so the meaning comes through. One bad translation is an insignificant obstacle that's quickly and easily overcome.
Hoian, if you have zero Vietnanemse (or television), this app is exactly what YOU of all people need. I would think you would be the last person here who would be against it.
This app will now enable you to go out and communicate here. This is GREAT for you.
My side of this issue says in the end: GO OUT & TRY IT YOURSELF AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
The anti-GT side on this issue can't honestly ask that question. Best they can hope for is to impress naive people who let themselves be persuaded by hearsay and never try.
As soon as anyone goes out and tries it themselves, people here who claim it is terrible lose credibility.
You aren't in VN now right? I'll give you some scenarios to go try it in when you do come here:
- Go to Mi Fa cafe on Vinh Vieh and try to use it for conversation with any girl there, preferably one who speaks NO English (I've only ever met one there who speaks English in about 4 yrs).
- Go to a market (but NOT Ben Thanh market, where most vendors speak English). Use it to tell them specifically what you are looking for, or to bargain for items you want to buy.
- Go to a Vietnamese oriented nightclub (this is my favorite scenario btw) and get a hot hostess girl and use it to have conversation. The great thing here is that the music is so loud that no one can have conversation, and it's just mindless yelling of Yo Yo Yo and so on. but now YOU can converse with your girl when others can not. And that will be very interesting to her, unusual, a nice respite from the typical night's duties, wow she can actually converse with a customer, one who actually seems to care about what she says and thinks. You stand out. It gives you the UPPER HAND in a nightclub setting.
- Go to a typical street food vendor. Use it to ask them about the ingredients. OK on 2nd thought, maybe don't do this one. There are some things you may not want to know.
In all the above, I'm confident anyone who tries it will succeed. No one needs a guide any more. Now we can all do everything ourselves.