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Originally Posted by BenZQ
Can i know the market rate for hj / fj so won't get chopped. Thanks!
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I use 100k HJ and 200k FJ as a benchmark in Batam,yet not persisting on it so that I could get VAS (value-added services) if the girls ask for more money. The girls will almost always quote a higher price than i bench-marked; usually double and at times even tripled if i ask the girl "how much".
Anything with a middleman in between your deal with the girls/, pricing will always be higher than its norm. Eg, booking joints,KTVs etc.
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Originally Posted by Trenz
Everyone's market rate can be different online. As for my own,it would be 50%-66.7% off after bargaining over SG's prices. Every shop's girls in batam will try to quote customer SG price so it's up to u to bring tat down.
I go to a SG men's spa,usually cost $70-$80 without the special,add on special abt $50-$70. Total can come out to be abt $120-$150. In Batam,I'll be expecting around $50. Of course,i'm talking abt men's spa now.
For smaller scale & in-hotel massage shops,i do a similar comparison. Special service HJ is abt $50 & a FJ abt $100 in SG. In Batam would then be abt 150k-250k after bargaining for HJ & 300k-500k for FJ. Anything higher would be considered higher than normal for me.
There's however one thing i have to agreed with bro nono, that is the higher one pays ,there's the likelihood of a more inferior-ed service.
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For any indo girls quoting a higher than in Sillypore price is forgivable becos most didn't know. But for a Sillyporean to accept those price? Hehehe...it all really boils down to wisdom.
Batam is still the cheapest and yet nearest to Sillypore. For a simple and yet relaxing trip with some additional entertainment, Batam can still be a good choice for people like me.
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Originally Posted by Trenz
Just quote an example in one of my 1st few earlier trips to batam. I visited a hotel MP,the girl quoted me 500k,i didn't bargain,happy-ending ends with no roaming,no full strip off & if i want 'those' additions,i will have to top up another extra 100k+100k,so end up have to pay 700k if i wanted 'those' ++.
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Many got hit by this trick over the years. Not that paying higher is not good or unfair, but its more on the girls attitude of work. Once the girls earned enough from her 1st deal. The next following customer suffers.
An example : During all 3 CNYs,girls were known to quote me 300k for a HJ from a few different places without backing down on prices. Meaning,its fix price,hehehe...and their attitude is, take it or leave it. I chose to leave it.
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Originally Posted by Trenz
Another time in the same place,same girl. I was quoted 500k again, i bargained to 200k. Again there was no strip no roam,& i have to top up 100k for roaming & another 100k for full strip. End day after all the bargaining, we agreed to a price of 300k for the same service i paid 700k for. I told her i would tip her more if her service lvl is up to my expectation as a bonus beforehand & by end of my session,due to her hardwork & the extra mile services,i tipped her an extra 50k. So my total damage for a better than my previous 700k session cost only 350k,yet with the girls going the extra mile to please me in there. I visited the same girl at same place once more before i left batam to help her remember me better with the same bargained price.
The lesson i learned during that trip was,if i wish to start with a more inferior-ed service,i should not bargain at all. I bargained for my future RTM & RTF sake. Thereafter after that eventful session,all other girls from the same shop don't cost me more than 350k anymore.
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If you were to pay her 700k instead of the 350k,i am guessing you probably may not be able to see her before you left that day. She might be on leave from work for a day or 2 to go shopping,hehehe...and when her money runs out,she will be back to work.
Many years ago,when my parents worked in Jakarta,they told me companies don't pay their Indo workers's salary on a monthly basis. Instead,they pay them weekly. The reason as I was told was, they couldn't keep their salary for barely a week or so....hehehe....
That's why I often tell me friends in Batam, once I am able to understand their culture better,i will then be able to put a certain situation to my advantage. Batam is like a RPG game, my game.
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Originally Posted by Trenz
I don't pay more than 500k for fj & 350k for hj anymore. My usual fj cost between 250k-400k,hj cost 150k-250k. For me to pay to my maximum of 500k/350k,the girls will need to be at least an SYT below 22 & not have given birth before.
Surrounding Utama hotel's more rundown MP,i pay 100k-250k for HJ & 200k-350 for FJ.
Hotel's Palor & Men's Spa that dont provide hj packages,i pay 150k-200k for HJ & 350k-500k for FJ.
Chinese locals in batam,i pay 200k for hj & 400k for fj.
Wechat FJ i'd bargain for a flat rate of 400k. It's my last choice,so they can take it or leave it.
Those prices i talk abt don't include entrance & i'd say, it's yr ultimate call to make during yr own session when u are there.
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Just remember, normal days each massage girl in most massage parlor that do special service only have about 1 or if they are lucky enough, 2 customers. Sometimes, even none (many massage shops in Batam) for a few days if luck isn't with them. Not all customers, especially hotel guests in Hotel Parlor takes up special services or at times, is convenient to ask for one.
Girls who refuse to back down,i just drop them. Reason is simple, they arent "hungry" enough. Too many girls in this trade in Batam and there will be no lack of good enough choices. I like quiet "places", no one disturbing me. No fear of disturbance, eg terrorist attack,hehehe...
A man's meat and poison theory applies.