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[chinacuntlover]

Always compared to SAF, if someone can come up with data on ROI - spent vs wins for the season

2 seasons past and the 3rd does not look any better, look worse actually.

ETH is clueless on player motivation, strategy to bring out the best.

The INEOS team should be bold and brave to sack ETH, hopefully can remove the gloom and doom hanging over OT

[asiancigar]

BOTAK HAS LIMITED TACTICS AND MOST EPL MANAGERS HAVE SEEN THROUGH IT WHICH IS WHY THE TEAM IS PLAYING SO POORLY .....

[Marmots]

Very happy for McTom doing well.
We could all see he was a good determined player that definitely contributed to Man Utd, except ETH.

Is ETH condemned to be removed in Jan or is he at last chance salon, the fact that there was no assurance for him after the Man Utd high level meeting was very telling.

Home vs Brentford - Win.
Away vs Fenerbahçe - Win.

I believe ETH will go practical and play to the team's strength rather than his unworkable preferred tactics.
Any loss will be a potential sack** and he is going to have a hard time getting a decent offer with his rep in tatters.

And Maguire is tagged for £10m, Antony has no takers.
I honestly believe some of the underperforming players are good, just that ETH has confused and demoralized them.
Motivation skills - negative score.

Time for RvN ?

sack** - I wonder if Man Utd is not sacking ETH due to compensation which can affect the FPP ? Ratcliffe even removed the ambassador post of SAF to cut cost.

[lacoruna69]

Very happy for McTom doing well.
We could all see he was a good determined player that definitely contributed to Man Utd, except ETH.



I never had a single doubt that McTom is an excellent player.
It is just that he was being deployed as a DMC.
At Napoli, Conte changed the team formation so he could slot in McTom.
He is deployed behind Lukaku.
Both will be at tandem with each other. Each covering the other player's position. So there will always be a target man in front to finish off the move.
High work rate, fully committed. Immediately establish a connection with Lukaku and teammates. Conte's favourite type of player.

Everyone can see he is a threat upfront......except ETH.
Even has the statistics to show. 10 goals in last season, and he came in as DMC. Many of them crucial in winning the match.

On another note, look at Zirkzee....he was criticised as being "slow" by Paolo di Canio. Only one goal to show for.
Lost in remaining matches.

"Manchester United have been making strange decisions for several years now, and none of them have worked. Even Zirkzee is a bit too slow for the Premier League. He might prove me wrong by scoring goals and delivering great performances, but in England, opponents come at you quickly, and referees call 30% fewer fouls."

I had commented before EPL is not a playgound, it is a gladiator arena.
A massacre ground.

[ronaldo1]

Just saw this video.

Hilarious! Yet on point. Lolllll

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/VHD7DR2h9AgaD3Rm/?mibextid=UalRPS

[ChrisSutton]

Man United v Brentford

Sutton's prediction: 2-1

[ilovepantyhose]

ex coach benni mccarthy shed some light: some players can train very well but it doesn't translate to good performances on matchdays, which brings up a previous point that some players really bochup on matchday... win, lose, play well, play poorly all dun matter to them as long as they pocket the fat salary

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758934

the injury curse hits again with more players out, ETH will be forced to name a young bench. zirkzee to sub on for hojlund as he continues to adapt to PL. brentford form is slightly better but hope that man u can make their home ground advantage count. i expect brentford to focus their attack down their right as dalot is the weakest defender, rashford eriksen will have to help out more in defending

[JonesKnows]

Manchester United vs Brentford

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2

[asiancigar]

Manchester United vs Brentford

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2

i concur ..... Another loss expected !!!!

[ronaldo1]

Hope to see a high scoring loss which will get ETH sacked

[asiancigar]

HT United 0 - 1 Brentford

[lacoruna69]

HT United 0 - 1 Brentford

Is the pubor kia Dalot....deliberately let Pinnock get to the header.
Dalot was marking him before the corner come in,
then let him go off to head in.

[asiancigar]

FT UNITED 2 - 1 BRENTFORD

OK LAH, BOTAK CAN STAY FOR ANOTHER WEEK !!!!

[lacoruna69]

FT: Man U 2 - 1 Brentford

What a comeback! Fabulous goals from Garnacho and Hojlund seals the victory.

Botak safe again !!

[Rickey]

FT UNITED 2 - 1 BRENTFORD

OK LAH, BOTAK CAN STAY FOR ANOTHER WEEK !!!!

FT: Man U 2 - 1 Brentford

What a comeback! Fabulous goals from Garnacho and Hojlund seals the victory.

Botak safe again !!
Only 1 more week ahh ??...this guy is living from week to week n he die die must win all the other games...no fooling around or in holiday mood...their best performance so far....if they play every game like that then no worries

[ilovepantyhose]

a comeback victory, here are some thoughts:

- brentford played better in the first half, and then man u dominated the second half

- very poor concentration and marking by dalot for pinnock's goal as shown in the replay. the mistakes he made means that he is a liability. right now, ETH bobian as shaw malacia still out, must drop him when shaw returns

- garnacho was very lively thru out the game, well struck goal from rashford cross. ETH has selection headache betwn rashford garnacho, whoever is AMR will be the quieter one. current form means garnacho will be AML

- hojlund's goal was straight out of ETH game plan, counterpress, win back possession in opponent half, create chance and score. also, hojlund hold up play was good. on the other hand, ETH must consider to bring a drogba-like targetman as a plan B

- next match away at fenerbache, turkish grounds are hostile, somemore vs mourinho :eek:, i'm not optimistic, hope can come away with at least a point :o

[Rickey]

Man United v Brentford

Sutton's prediction: 2-1

ChrisSutton is spot on in his prediction ;)...how did u predict so accurately ??

[Rickey]

a comeback victory, here are some thoughts:

- brentford played better in the first half, and then man u dominated the second half

- very poor concentration and marking by dalot for pinnock's goal as shown in the replay. the mistakes he made means that he is a liability. right now, ETH bobian as shaw malacia still out, must drop him when shaw returns

- garnacho was very lively thru out the game, well struck goal from rashford cross. ETH has selection headache betwn rashford garnacho, whoever is AMR will be the quieter one. current form means garnacho will be AML

- hojlund's goal was straight out of ETH game plan, counterpress, win back possession in opponent half, create chance and score. also, hojlund hold up play was good. on the other hand, ETH must consider to bring a drogba-like targetman as a plan B

- next match away at fenerbache, turkish grounds are hostile, somemore vs mourinho :eek:, i'm not optimistic, hope can come away with at least a point :o

Shaw n Malacia will never cum back...even if cum back will get injured easily again ..how many times hv we seen this happen...they shd be sold asap n bring in one like capt Fernandez who doesn't get injured at all

Garnacho had so many more chances to score but he couldn't do it :(..he could hv scored another 2 or 3 goals but missed...hv to train harder how to score from distance n how to beat the defenders to go thru on goal

Holjund was good last night not sure why the knucklehead pulled him off the pitch n replace with the slow, useless, lazy Zirkzee who can only run on the pitch like a headless chicken... if he had been longer on the pitch he could hv scored another goal...thought that Brentford will be given a chance to equalize but fortunately they couldn't...again they signed a wrong player that can't run fast on goal n score ...sigh

[lacoruna69]

Shaw n Malacia will never cum back...even if cum back will get injured easily again ..how many times hv we seen this happen...they shd be sold asap n bring in one like capt Fernandez who doesn't get injured at all



Kind of agree with you. No point holding on to players who are always injured.
OT is not a nursing home.
Like Malacia, last season totally no appear. Just sit home and collect fat pay check every month. So shiok!

I want to discuss about the De Ligt bloody head incident.
De Ligt was ordered off the pitch to fix his head as Brentford were preparing to take the corner.
Prior to this, De Ligt has already went off twice to get his head fixed.
But is clear the medical staff didn't do the job properly.
Which led to the later incident where De Ligt can only watch from the sideline as Pinnock scored the header.
Did the referee did the correct thing?
I think he did the correct thing as there are still blood coming out.
Is just suay the Devils concede on a setpiece when their main aerial player was down.

[ilovepantyhose]

Shaw n Malacia will never cum back...

i think shaw malacia dun have luck with injuries, remb ronaldo R9? back then at inter kena serious knee injury, able to recover, then first match back and injured same knee again, ish suay max

garnacho is young, naturally will be inconsistent at this stage in his career. given his talent and development trajectory, he may enter his prime as early as 23yo

officially ETH will state its rotation, but also good to let zirkzee get some action so as to let him adapt to PL style, can see his understanding w teammates not there yet

[ilovepantyhose]

I want to discuss about the De Ligt bloody head incident.


i find it strange why the medical guy didn't bandage de ligt first time round, instead apply some sort of gel to stop the bleeding. obviously it didn't work and he had to go off the pitch to get it fixed for the 2nd and 3rd time. goodness what a cockup, in future just bandage lah, do it once do it good :p

the referee has to order him off the pitch, its known as the blood rule. from wiki: A blood rule is a rule used in many sports that generally states that an athlete that receives an open wound, is bleeding, or who has blood on them or their clothes, must immediately leave the playing area to receive medical attention. Though they may be able to play again later, they cannot continue until the wound is taken care of, bleeding has stopped, and all contaminated equipment has been replaced. The main concern addressed by these rules is the spread of infectious diseases.

[ronaldo1]

i think shaw malacia dun have luck with injuries, remb ronaldo R9? back then at inter kena serious knee injury, able to recover, then first match back and injured same knee again, ish suay max

garnacho is young, naturally will be inconsistent at this stage in his career. given his talent and development trajectory, he may enter his prime as early as 23yo

officially ETH will state its rotation, but also good to let zirkzee get some action so as to let him adapt to PL style, can see his understanding w teammates not there yet

actually shaw and malacia is left side right. so if thats the case dalot competitor is mazraoui, which I'm not sure is better than him. let's hope they continue to win!

[ilovepantyhose]

actually shaw and malacia is left side right. so if thats the case dalot competitor is mazraoui, which I'm not sure is better than him. let's hope they continue to win!

yea both shaw malacia are DL. given that this is mazraoui first season at the club, would say his performances are decent so far and his presence is to warn dalot not to be complacent. still early to determine whether mazraoui is better than dalot or not, but dalot mistakes is enough for me to vote 4 mazraoui. if all the defenders are fit, the starters will be mazraoui, de ligt, martinez and shaw. u see dalot sibei action keep high fiving his teammates :rolleyes: but marking and concentration really kns

[ronaldo1]

yea both shaw malacia are DL. given that this is mazraoui first season at the club, would say his performances are decent so far and his presence is to warn dalot not to be complacent. still early to determine whether mazraoui is better than dalot or not, but dalot mistakes is enough for me to vote 4 mazraoui. if all the defenders are fit, the starters will be mazraoui, de ligt, martinez and shaw. u see dalot sibei action keep high fiving his teammates :rolleyes: but marking and concentration really kns

actually I feel dalot ok. But I feel that he is not suited to the current team which is playing without an identity. His skillset can do quite well in other big teams. That being said, the last game was good and the upcoming fixtures are decent. Let's hope they build on it

[ilovepantyhose]

actually I feel dalot ok. But I feel that he is not suited to the current team which is playing without an identity. His skillset can do quite well in other big teams. That being said, the last game was good and the upcoming fixtures are decent. Let's hope they build on it

if ETH plays a 3-man defence with 2 wingbacks, dalot will have his fellow defenders to cover for him. when dalot is out of posn in a 4-man defence, man u is under pressure immediately whenever they lose the ball as opponents pour forward to exploit the huge space behind him

another impt aspect is that the winger or MC must also track back or cover at the full back posn until dalot recover, but somehow they are unable to and go into disarray when opponents attack. its a reoccurring issue and rashford covering at the DR posn when dalot was making forward runs vs brentford is a positive change

[ronaldo1]

if ETH plays a 3-man defence with 2 wingbacks, dalot will have his fellow defenders to cover for him. when dalot is out of posn in a 4-man defence, man u is under pressure immediately whenever they lose the ball as opponents pour forward to exploit the huge space behind him

another impt aspect is that the winger or MC must also track back or cover at the full back posn until dalot recover, but somehow they are unable to and go into disarray when opponents attack. its a reoccurring issue and rashford covering at the DR posn when dalot was making forward runs vs brentford is a positive change

That’s a great analysis. If their passing fundamentals can reach the levels of arsenal or city then it may work out

[lacoruna69]

Please stop defending Dalot! :mad:

He is a lazy fark bum who just stop tracking his man and he is only interested in going forward....doing long shots hope will score and gain glory.
Or super assist .....CCB...LB do this kind of crap for fark?
If want to do, ask botak to move him up to AML lah.

- Against Spurs, he let the B Johnson away and let him score.

= Against Porto, all 3 goals concede from his side. Probably the Porto coach knows he is the weakest and bo chap.

- Against Brentford, he did it again. Let Pinnock get away from him when the corner comes in.

He clearly didn't put enough effort (or rather no effort at all) in the man marking. Just want to try his luck and pass the 'sai' to his other teammates.

You all go watch the above matches again and see lazy fark Dalot give up the marking n let the opponents score with ease.

[asiancigar]

MOURINHO 2 - 1 BOTAK

[Marmots]

I had previously predicted that will win vs Fenerbahçe, but I think it is unlikely now. Draw maybe the more probably result.
A lousy 2-1 home win against Brentford and ETH thinks the team is very together and has fighting spirit.
ETH has habit of underestimating teams and tinkering with tactics, it does not bode well.
Fenerbahçe is under pressure, managed by a former Man Utd egomaniac who will want to do everything he can to put one over the club that sacked him.

But still sticking to away win.

Bruno is not playing, so this unknown can potentially be in Man Utd favour as style of play will be significantly different.

Each side faces eight different teams (four at home, four away). The top eight overall advance directly to the round of 16; sides finishing from ninth to 24th will contest the knockout phase play-offs, with the victors going through to the last 16. From then on it is a straight knockout.

Based on the above, if Man Utd don't start getting some points, auto qualifying will be out of reach, may even finish outside of 24.

That said, if you view the current Man Utd team, they are actually not weak,
Injuries remain a curse, Mainoo suddenly off match injury for weeks with some players frequently on long injury layoff.
I feel the management of players health and injuries and recuperating can be a lot better.
Something is wrong somewhere.

The spark for the last Man Utd renaissance happened when the final piece of the puzzle, Eric Cantona came onboard.
Everything thing else is history.
Does the current team lack such a talisman ? Who can be it ?
Or will need a different manager to better motivate the players ?

Man Utd remains in a transitional period.
Significant changes has been made, but still seem to be heading nowhere if not south and more heartaches.
I will be surprised if ETH is still there at end of season, but RvN by his admission is not ready yet and needs more time.
If Man Utd stick with ETH till the end of season, will RvN be ready then ?

[ilovepantyhose]

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with fernandes suspended, might be able to see zirkzee as no.10, casemiro came off vs brentford so ugarte will deputise. evans is latest casualty so lindelof will start. mazraoui to sub on for a few matches after his surgery

[lacoruna69]

with fernandes suspended, might be able to see zirkzee as no.10, casemiro came off vs brentford so ugarte will deputise. evans is latest casualty so lindelof will start. mazraoui to sub on for a few matches after his surgery

Read some rumor tabloids that Zirkzee wants out and hope a fast return to Italy.

He is fully aware of all the criticisms thrown at him.

He also explained that he is consider a "9.5" player, meaning occasionally will drop into midfield to carry the ball.

Will be interesting to see how he and Hojlund will play together....but knowing botak's style, likely Zirkzee will again be on the bench.

Not sure who will play in Bruno's absence.

Btw, match is 3am....:D

[ilovepantyhose]

Read some rumor tabloids that Zirkzee wants out and hope a fast return to Italy.


transfer rumors likely to be media stirring

zirkzee dropping deeper means that there is more physical presence in midfield as he can hold the ball or bring teammates into play, but going by his past few appearances, the understanding w teammates not there yet, hopefully can improve tonight. if casemiro is fit, then he will start with ugarte in midfield, eriksen be playmaker and zirkzee to sub on

[Marmots]

Mazraoui plays Bruno's position as central mid.
Weak link dalot as right back, with Lisandro playing left.


15th minute, Zirkee assists for Eriksen following good work by Garnacho.

49th minute, Fenerbahçe equalises....

Full Time 1-1

Expected, but still very disappointed and frustrated.

[lacoruna69]

Mazraoui plays Bruno's position as central mid.
Weak link dalot as right back, with Lisandro playing left.

14th minute, RashFord sees yellow.
15th minute, Zirkee assists for Eriksen following good work by Garnacho.

49th minute, Fenerbahçe equalises....
55th minute, Lindelof and Zirkee come off for Case and Hojilund.

1-1

Nothing to be optimistic at this point.

Nice summary!

FT : Fenerbahçe 1-1 Man U

A fair result. Quite surprise to see Mazraoui being move up to AM position.
Yes, Dalot weakest link as Fenerbahçe keeps on launching attacks on his side.
Man U took a surprise lead but fail to hold on.
3 consecutive draws in the competition. Qualification looks bleak.

Highlights :

Onana produced an excellent double save in the 1st half.

The One got sent off for protesting at the sidelines after referee decided against awarding a penalty.

[JonesKnows]

West Ham vs Manchester United

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2

[ChrisSutton]

West Ham vs Manchester United

Sutton's prediction: 1-2

[Rickey]

West Ham vs Manchester United

Sutton's prediction: 1-2

West Ham vs Manchester United

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2
He better make sure he wins otherwise they won't hesitate to chop him off

[asiancigar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FbwFworTTi8

[ilovepantyhose]

third successive UEL draw, here are some thoughts:

- ETH sprung a surprise by playing mazraoui in the AMC posn, the commentator noted that the intention is to disrupt fenerbahce midfield buildup play

- good performance by ugarte, tracked tadic's late run into the box and prevented a certain equaliser. tireless running and helped plug some defensive gaps, has the potential to develop into box to box MC

- i would give a D for zirkzee's performance despite assisting eriksen goal. rashford was twice in the open, but zirkzee passes were really poor and 2 potential chances were gone. the other instance was zirkzee received the ball in midfield, and he saw garnacho was out on the left waiting for the ball, but he took too long to release the ball and the pass was also poor, can see garnacho frustration boiling over

- for fenerbahce equaliser, lindelof is at fault for letting en-nesryi ghost in for the header. poor concentration is also why man u cannot hold on to a lead. ETH was decisive in subbing him off

- injury curse strikes again with antony stretchered off. i feel he won't be missed as he is unable to impact the game like fernandes, rashford, garnacho can. amad may see more action as ETH rotates betwn the 3 wingers

- next game is away at w ham, man u has slightly better form, attack is improving but facepalm at the way goals are conceded, minimum expectation is a draw

[Rickey]

third successive UEL draw, here are some thoughts

- for fenerbahce equaliser, lindelof is at fault for letting en-nesryi ghost in for the header. poor concentration is also why man u cannot hold on to a lead. ETH was decisive in subbing him off

- injury curse strikes again with antony stretchered off. i feel he won't be missed as he is unable to impact the game like fernandes, rashford, garnacho can. amad may see more action as ETH rotates betwn the 3 wingers


I tot they said it started with Dalot's fault again...this guy has been causing many goals to go in to their net in the last few games because he failed to track those attacking players

[lacoruna69]

I tot they said it started with Dalot's fault again...this guy has been causing many goals to go in to their net in the last few games because he failed to track those attacking players

Yes, was going to hilight this.
https://imgur.com/lYgiEOC.jpg
Again, is that ai mai ai mai kind of interception which Dalot always execute.
The Maximin had been doing this all night wreaking havoc on Dalot's turf.

Ok, at least this time the pubor kia Dalot wasn't in outer space when Maximin comes jingling in.

[ilovepantyhose]

I tot they said it started with Dalot's fault again...this guy has been causing many goals to go in to their net in the last few games because he failed to track those attacking players

dalot is the 1st line of defence as he was supposed to close down fast enough to prevent the cross, but dalot style of defending is the stand off dun commit too early type, thus giving the opponent ample time to aim his cross. if the fullback cannot close down fast enough, both DCs must be good at positioning and heading. if u watch the replay, when the ball was still out on the flank, lindelof was scanning to see where en-nesyri is, but as the cross came in, lindelof focussed on the ball and his poor positioning and wrong reading of the ball's flight meant that en-nesyri was able to equalise

yes agree that the primary issue is still dalot, opponent managers identified him as the weakest link in man u defence and emphasize their attack on dalot's flank, notably pool and porto. i think man u will continue to concede goals as long as dalot is selected, thus they have to improve their attack until shaw malacia returns

[lacoruna69]

third successive UEL draw, here are some thoughts:

- i would give a D for zirkzee's performance despite assisting eriksen goal. rashford was twice in the open, but zirkzee passes were really poor and 2 potential chances were gone. the other instance was zirkzee received the ball in midfield, and he saw garnacho was out on the left waiting for the ball, but he took too long to release the ball and the pass was also poor, can see garnacho frustration boiling over



I think he is just another player who is just a load of "hot air".

I was digging some old reports and there were references made being him similar to Ibrahimovic, Batistuta and Ronaldinho....what a farking joke!

Paolo di Canio say he is "too slow". This I very early on already commented.

Now former Aston Villa striker Gabby Agbonlahor has this to say about Zirkzee.

“Everyone’s talking about Joshua Zirkzee, said he was an amazing player.
“He’s gone there, he can’t even control the ball. He’s got the time [to turn things around] but he’s been poor since the start of this season.”

I agree with him too. How much time do he need? :p

[ilovepantyhose]

I agree with him too. How much time do he need? :p

gotta cut zirkzee some slack as this is his 1st season, he needs min 6mths to integrate into the squad and adapt to english football. i saw some highlights, he isn't a lousy footballer, just that he needs time to get used the high tempo. english football is played in such a way where technical players aren't allowed time on the ball, or allowed to turn and face the goal, or immediately closed down/outmuscled/hacked. as the season progresses, his understanding w teammates and his passing will improve. also, hope that RVN can impart his knowledge/experience to zirkzee, then we can comment on his overall performance at end of season

[ronaldo1]

Yes, was going to hilight this.
Ok, at least this time the pubor kia Dalot wasn't in outer space when Maximin comes jingling in.

When he was in epl, saint maximim was always giving man u hell haha… when I saw the scoreline I was thinking was he going to be involved and sure enough I saw an assist. Not defending dalot but because their defensive cover is so bad and expose to 1v1 all the time, I think based on the list of man u’s defenders past and present maybe only wan bissaka can match maximim 1v1 and thats on a good day.

[ronaldo1]

gotta cut zirkzee some slack as this is his 1st season, he needs min 6mths to integrate into the squad and adapt to english football. i saw some highlights, he isn't a lousy footballer, just that he needs time to get used the high tempo. english football is played in such a way where technical players aren't allowed time on the ball, or allowed to turn and face the goal, or immediately closed down/outmuscled/hacked. as the season progresses, his understanding w teammates and his passing will improve. also, hope that RVN can impart his knowledge/experience to zirkzee, then we can comment on his overall performance at end of season

I find his size kind of weird for a striker. Gives me the michail antonio vibes. A 6/10 striker best used to bash thru the defenders but does not score a lot

[lacoruna69]

I find his size kind of weird for a striker. Gives me the michail antonio vibes. A 6/10 striker best used to bash thru the defenders but does not score a lot

He didn't utilise his 1.93m frame to full effect.
At his height, you would assume he will be winning all the aerial battles.
But no, he prefer to use his feet.
Which kind of makes him less threatening to opponents and effectively lesser option for Man U during attack and defending aerial balls during corner.

[Rickey]

gotta cut zirkzee some slack as this is his 1st season, he needs min 6mths to integrate into the squad and adapt to english football. i saw some highlights, he isn't a lousy footballer, just that he needs time to get used the high tempo. english football is played in such a way where technical players aren't allowed time on the ball, or allowed to turn and face the goal, or immediately closed down/outmuscled/hacked. as the season progresses, his understanding w teammates and his passing will improve. also, hope that RVN can impart his knowledge/experience to zirkzee, then we can comment on his overall performance at end of season
That means they recruited the wrong guy...which good prolific players needs so many mths to be embedded into the team ...if that's the case they shdnt fault baldy for the bad results after all it is reported that the new management is content with just a slow 3-year rebuild of the squad not to take the club back to it's former glory asap... get Harry Kane or Ivan Toney or likes n they will be banging in goals if not in every match....look at Kane, the moment he went Bayern he started to bang in goals which is really unsurprising

[lacoruna69]

That means they recruited the wrong guy...which good prolific players needs so many mths to be embedded into the team ..... get Harry Kane or Ivan Toney or likes n they will be banging in goals if not in every match....look at Kane, the moment he went Bayern he started to bang in goals which is really unsurprising

My sentiments exactly.
If Zirkzee is good, he should be "walking on sunshine" right now rather than hide inside toilet to cry after every match.:p

They should get Kane/Toney since they are experienced old birds who can tutor newbies like Hojlund/Zirkzee.
RvN is past generation striker already, He come Utd is just treat as retirement home. What can he contribute??

[ilovepantyhose]

761155

the injury list is getting longer as ETH gonna name a young bench. fernandes is available after suspended for UEL, his creativity might decide the outcome tmrw if w ham keep garnacho quiet

[asiancigar]

Draw game ......

[Rickey]

Draw game ......

Then it's time for SJR n INEOS to sack the botak ...he seems to be a draw specialist last time like JM...it will only push the team further down towards the relegation zone

[Rickey]

Draw game ......

Red pussies play so slowly like on a training ground...ai Mai ai Mai ..now under heavy attack by west ham ..knn

[Rickey]

761155

the injury list is getting longer as ETH gonna name a young bench. fernandes is available after suspended for UEL, his creativity might decide the outcome tmrw if w ham keep garnacho quiet
The red pussies r so useless, so many chances to put the ball into west ham net but couldn't esp that pubor kia who was clear on goal but miskick it over the bar n west ham survived...they keep on kicking the ball back to their own half instead of to the opposition half ...lidat how to score goals ??...the wonderboy rustford again cannot get past defenders in the west ham box to score...all of them play like they r half dead lidat ...if they cannot beat such a weak team as west ham how r they going to face teams in the top 12 ??....if it is any of the top 10, they would hv scored 2 or 3 goals already...they better prepare to be relegated at the end of the season if they continue to play like half dead

[Rickey]

Kena 1 goal already....red pussies just wake up...now they just got an equaliser

[asiancigar]

NEVER A DOUBT THAT BOTAK WILL NOT WIN THIS GAME BUT TO LOSE TO WEST HAM....KNN HIS TIME IS UP .... SACK HIM NOW !!!!!

[ronaldo1]

How is that even a penalty… wtf

[lacoruna69]

FT : West Ham 2-1 Man U

The pussies got all the chances in the 1st half, but yet they couldn't put it away.
The Dalot one is really wtf.

2nd half, West Ham came roaring back and got the lead through Summerville in the 74th min. Again, Dalot ball watching.

Then the pussies wake up and managed to level through Casemiro.
Ball nodded back in by sub Zirkzee. First time see him use head.

Then the disputed penalty. Hard luck.
But referee give a massive 12 minutes of stoppage time to help pussies.
Unfortunately they can't and Fabianski also in top form.

[Tai_zi21]

How is that a bloody penalty?

[Rickey]

NEVER A DOUBT THAT BOTAK WILL NOT WIN THIS GAME BUT TO LOSE TO WEST HAM....KNN HIS TIME IS UP .... SACK HIM NOW !!!!!

I agree...call him to my office now to get his sack letter...they hv no hunger to win the game thinking the hammers r easy meat...like playing for fun with schoolboys on Sundays but didn't know that they will get hammered instead ...so now they r going down to fight against relegation...if botak is not removed, they will be relegated to play in Div II next year simply because he can't win any games now n the most he can do is draw

[Rickey]

How is that a bloody penalty?

No point talking abt the penalty ..they can hv as many penalties they want n still win the game provided they got prolific strikers like Kane or Ivan Toney n world class defenders like VVD of Pool...all their strikers n defenders r useless so no point blaming on the penalty as an excuse to lose the game

[Rickey]

FT : West Ham 2-1 Man U

The pussies got all the chances in the 1st half, but yet they couldn't put it away.
The Dalot one is really wtf.

2nd half, West Ham came roaring back and got the lead through Summerville in the 74th min. Again, Dalot ball watching.

Then the pussies wake up and managed to level through Casemiro.
Ball nodded back in by sub Zirkzee. First time see him use head.

Then the disputed penalty. Hard luck.
But referee give a massive 12 minutes of stoppage time to help pussies.
Unfortunately they can't and Fabianski also in top form.
Correct wat u said.....

Para (1)....yes, they got a lot of chances n didn't put away....u know why ??....because they take it easy n consider themselves the best footballers in the epl n look down on other team players thinking they r schoolboys n can beat them easily ...so no urgency to score goals...hokkien say ai mai ai mai...if can score, score lor, if not never mind...team lose lose lor, I still get my big fat salary why care ??....but when they kena fucked in their ass they suddenly wake up n try to recover but too late liao....their enemy got the momentum already to destroy them then fight also no use, the enemy will kill them in the end because they r so useless in fighting or don't know how to fight back...the west ham manager knows how n when to change his players when they r losing n turn his team from losing to winning but botak don't know how to do this....keep on playing useless players like Rustford instead of Amad who is so energetic n can beat defenders n change the game for him

Para (2) west ham know how to recruit fast, energetic n good goal scorers from epl like Summerville to win them the game n kill the pussies whereas they go n recruit useless players from other countries who r so slow n lazy in running like the pubor kia, an open goal also dont know how to score....better sack this guy tgt with his boss botak as he has been responsible for the team conceding so many goals in the past few matches as he is slow in running n defending

[ilovepantyhose]

the match was decided by a controversial VAR call, here are some thoughts:

- 1st half was all man u, exploited w ham high line and created many chances but poor finishing again, biggest culprit is dalot who missed an open goal. the commentator said that when you missed so many chances, you are bound to get punished, boy did it came true

- rashford had a quiet game as AMR, his pressing seemed half hearted too. i will suggest to swap flanks w garnacho at times during the match

- garnacho loose pass led to w ham first goal, it was 72:58 when w ham regained possession, they scored at 73:06, took them only 8 seconds! while man u toiled for 45mins and couldn't find a breakthrough, incredible isn't it? from the replay, eriksen was tracking summerville but stopped tracking to ball watch as the ball came into the box, at the same time de ligt also lost sight of ings, then ings miscued his shot but summerville reacted faster than dalot and scored. the midfield failed and then the defence failed, 2 levels of facepalm

- as for the penalty, its not. the ball was loose and both de ligt and ings went it. there was contact and it was 50-50, but ings acting skill made it seemed like he came off worse, the VAR referee kena conned

- in the final few minutes of the lengthy extra time, fernandes tried to be a hero twice but disappointed. twice, he refused to pass to an open garnacho and tried to go for glory himself, i think he is dulan w garnacho for his loose pass which led to w ham 1st goal

- man u kpkb about VAR and the penalty... really? if they killed off the game in the 1st half, would it have come to this? this season, man u have shown that they are able to create chances, but the finishing has been poor. who is to blame? blame the opponents? blame the ref? blame VAR?

- next match is EFL cup at home vs leicester, think ETH will rotate again, can man u improve their finishing?

[escobar43535]

My commiserations to all the United fans

That was not a penalty

And i say this as a Liverpool fan

How is that a bloody penalty?

[Tai_zi21]

Just saw this news

Botak has been SACKED FINALLY

[asiancigar]

NEVER A DOUBT THAT BOTAK WILL NOT WIN THIS GAME BUT TO LOSE TO WEST HAM....KNN HIS TIME IS UP .... SACK HIM NOW !!!!!



https://www.irishnews.com/sport/soccer/breaking-man-united-sack-erik-ten-hag-MG7ZHT2LN5GMRJVTIEU3WVO6MA/

[asiancigar]

https://www.givemesport.com/man-utd-ask-48-year-old-to-take-charge-after-ten-hag-sacked/

[lacoruna69]

Wow.....finally.

RvN took over as interim. So next match v Leicester BIG win?

Actually, hor, the club needs to pay botak a hefty sum after sacking him.

So big fat X'mas for botak.:D

[sex crusader]

manu samsters big celebration tonight liao.:D

[Marmots]

Fucking finally !!!
RvN, you go dude !!!

Top 4 maybe too much, dare we hope for top 6 ?

[Rickey]

My commiserations to all the United fans

That was not a penalty

And i say this as a Liverpool fan
Thank you bro for yr support :)...but VAR maintained their decision is correct :(...if wat u say is right then VAR n the referees concerned has blood in their hands so to speak n shd be punished because his dismissal is due to the loss of the match as a result of the decision they made on the field...the result of that match shd be reversed to 1-1 if they want themselves to be shown as honest people

[Rickey]

NEVER A DOUBT THAT BOTAK WILL NOT WIN THIS GAME BUT TO LOSE TO WEST HAM....KNN HIS TIME IS UP .... SACK HIM NOW !!!!!
Bro AC...yr wishes hv cum true ;)...I sacked him for u liao...happy boh ??....haha....nah, just kidding nia

[ilovepantyhose]

wah... SJR & co finally had it w ETH and sacked him. early this month when BBC asked SJR if he still as faith in ETH, he replied "i don't want to answer that question", it certainly didn't bode well for ETH. wish ETH all the best and thanks for the 2 cups

moving forward, RVN is named as interim head coach, read that his time at PSV he prefers 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formations. firstly, hope that he has the balls to drop players who underperform or don't pull their weight. secondly, hope that he has tactical flexibility, to tailor the game plan according to the next opponent and not insisting to play out from the back every match. thirdly, hope that he can come up with a plan B or C, something different from the current meta in case they are behind, because the targetman SC is needed for english football

[DATY911]

My commiserations to all the United fans

That was not a penalty

And i say this as a Liverpool fan

I'm so happy as a MU fan, because of it Botak got sacked.
So much to look forward to.

[Rickey]

Wow.....finally.

RvN took over as interim. So next match v Leicester BIG win?

Actually, hor, the club needs to pay botak a hefty sum after sacking him.

So big fat X'mas for botak.:D
Not sure of even a win depending on their mood on that day n how well they can gel with the new man in charge...the whole problem is not solved yet only superficially ....

the only thing the mgmt has done is to remove the clueless manager but not the lazy n disinterested set of players they hv who seems to be able to decide for themselves if they want to play well or not...they seems to hv succeeded in throwing another manager under the bus though he is not a manager as capable as Klopp of Pool or Pep of neighbours City...pity him, the guy was really out of his depth n struggling to get his tactics, selections n substitutions right n to motivate these bunch of talented but lazy players to play to win

As regards to his sacking compensation package, yes wonder how SJR n his team is doing it within the FFP n PSR rules... don't wait they may be charged for breaches of the rules like their noisy neighbours in blue n Everton, Nott Forest etc n be docked points

[Rickey]

manu samsters big celebration tonight liao.:D
You r invited to join us if u want :)

[lacoruna69]

wah... SJR & co finally had it w ETH and sacked him. early this month when BBC asked SJR if he still as faith in ETH, he replied "i don't want to answer that question", it certainly didn't bode well for ETH. wish ETH all the best and thanks for the 2 cups

moving forward, RVN is named as interim head coach, read that his time at PSV he prefers 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formations. firstly, hope that he has the balls to drop players who underperform or don't pull their weight. secondly, hope that he has tactical flexibility, to tailor the game plan according to the next opponent and not insisting to play out from the back every match. thirdly, hope that he can come up with a plan B or C, something different from the current meta in case they are behind, because the targetman SC is needed for english football

The club needs to fork out about 15m pounds as compensation to botak because he signed a contract extension until 2026.
So, in a way, botak also never lose out.
Big fat X'mas!

Next match is EFL Cup match (Round of 16) against Leicester at OT.
Leicester should be peeing in their pants now because might encounter fiercesome backlash from Man U players who had something to prove.

[Rickey]

I'm so happy as a MU fan, because of it Botak got sacked.
So much to look forward to.
How cum now then we see u posting here as a MU fan ahh ?? ;)

[Rickey]

Fucking finally !!!
RvN, you go dude !!!

Top 4 maybe too much, dare we hope for top 6 ?
Think can lah...season still early mah but must not waste time n win most of the matches from now on...with him still around it's going to be all the way down to relegation to Div II next season

[Rickey]

The club needs to fork out about 15m pounds as compensation to botak because he signed a contract extension until 2026.
So, in a way, botak also never lose out.
Big fat X'mas!

Next match is EFL Cup match (Round of 16) against Leicester at OT.
Leicester should be peeing in their pants now because might encounter fiercesome backlash from Man U players who had something to prove.

They are angry that their manager got sacked becos of them

[lacoruna69]

You r invited to join us if u want :)

Yah man, can have massive "sausage" party between Man U and Pool fans. :D
You suck mine, I suck yours.
You poke me, I poke you.
Sounds fun, yah? :p

[asiancigar]

Bro AC...yr wishes hv cum true ;)...I sacked him for u liao...happy boh ??....haha....nah, just kidding nia

Haha... good one Ricky, now to get on to trying to bring in a proper manager/coach like Zidane.

Yah, i know it is wishful thinking but never say never hor :D

[asiancigar]

But it would seem that Ruben Amorim will be our next manager :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZou2KRSDsY

[escobar43535]

No worries bro

Tbh epl refs and var have been quite shit and inconsistent

Thank you bro for yr support :)...but VAR maintained their decision is correct :(...if wat u say is right then VAR n the referees concerned has blood in their hands so to speak n shd be punished because his dismissal is due to the loss of the match as a result of the decision they made on the field...the result of that match shd be reversed to 1-1 if they want themselves to be shown as honest people

[escobar43535]

Sporting this season:

Played 9, won 9. Scored 30. Conceeded 2.

7 points from 9 in CL

Thats impressive

This is a good hot solid young manager

Both Liverpool and Chelsea were seriously looking at him for this season

Thought he might be Pep's eventual successor at City

I am finally getting worried and once again I say this as a Liverpool fan:D


But it would seem that Ruben Amorim will be our next manager :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZou2KRSDsY

[DATY911]

How cum now then we see u posting here as a MU fan ahh ?? ;)

Because there's nothing happy to post about till the sacking.
Was a loyal supporters of Ferguson's era never missing a live weekend match.
But after he stepped down, lose interest watching live, only highlights but still supporting w aching heart.

[Marmots]

With RvN in charge temporarily, we have a 'temporarily' new start.
Have had a few new starts since SAF but have been false dawns, tho can see from news comments the Solskjær was the most promising but cut short, and Solskjær said Antony was worth £30m at most.

If it is going to be temporary, the expectations can't be, nor can RvN win every match, but bring back the spirit of Man Utd.
Not the senseless passing now.
A lot of fingers are now pointed at Bruno, but however good or bad he is, can't turn the tide when the strategy and team spirit sucks.

There are still problems in the squad, esp dalot at this point.
Will it be better just to throw a youngster into the deep end and replace dalot ?
Can it be worse ?

Man Utd have 4 home games in a row, twice vs Leicester, before going into 2 weeks break.
Going to be decisive period.

But for us Man Utd supporters, we have hope again, for now.

[Marmots]

Looks like Amorim likely be the guy.

https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/man-utd-verbally-agree-ruben-amorim-appointment-start-date-exit-fee-new-salary-all-revealed

He has no top leagues credentials but has done wonders with what he had.
I reserve my opinion on whether he is a good choice.
I prefer RvN first, and Nagelsmann second, but Nagelsmann very very unlikely.

If Man Utd select Amorim, I will support him until he proves otherwise.

[Rickey]

Looks like Amorim likely be the guy.

https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/man-utd-verbally-agree-ruben-amorim-appointment-start-date-exit-fee-new-salary-all-revealed

He has no top leagues credentials but has done wonders with what he had.
I reserve my opinion on whether he is a good choice.
I prefer RvN first, and Nagelsmann second, but Nagelsmann very very unlikely.

If Man Utd select Amorim, I will support him until he proves otherwise.

Sorry mate, seems like that's not going to happen after all...just read a report that SJR n company want to bring back OGS as manager becos he is a free agent doesn't cost them extra $$$ :(...it's shocking but they say they can't pay for a good one like Amorim as it would breach PSR n FFP rules...if that's the case better to give to RVN then i/o OGS....didnt they consider this b4 allowing media to speculate on Amorim's appt ..

they r so fickle-minded n up to now still can't decide who they want....just yesterday only Xabi was touted to be the next manager n today suddenly it's widely confirmed in the media that Amorim is cumming to the Theatre of Dreams instead...tot they r decisive pple n makes decision fast....give up on them...no wonder I was thinking how cum Amorim is so interested to cum to manage such a shit club ....still think Amorim will go to their neighbors in blue as their next manager when Pep leaves next season....it's easier life for him ...

so hold yr horses guys, wait for an official announcement from them b4 talking abt who is the next one to succeed botak n clear the mess in the club

[Rickey]

But it would seem that Ruben Amorim will be our next manager :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZou2KRSDsY

Seem nia...no confirmation from any official source...rumours hv it that they want to call OGS back for free....again there is no official confirmation abt this either....so now everything we hear or read is just rumours

[asiancigar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfgSduUX-F8

[Tai_zi21]

My thought abt the sacking of botak…

I once thought he will be the manager to lead us to challenge for title… clinching 3rd place and champions league spot in his first season… wining us the energy drink cup…

Just when I thought we will improve from there… who did we sign? Onana? Mount? Pls don’t ever tell me this 2 players improve the team… poor signing season after season… Antony at 80 millions make us the jokers among rival fan… out of all his ex players only Martinez didn’t let us down…for this season signing… did anyone impress ur guys so far? Not for me at least… so the question boil down is the owners wanting the players or the manager?

And to be very honest… I don’t care who come in now? Cos u know what the main prob in Manchester United? The players and the owners…

In this squad can u name me more than 5 players to wear the utd badge!

I can name 3 for now
Martinez
Mainoo
Garnacho

The rest? They are just here for the money including our rashford and Bruno…

Trust me even pep or Zidane can’t save Manchester United now… clear out the deadwood and with glazers and Jim around I don’t think we will ever win a title again

God bless my club that I have supported more than 20 years

[ilovepantyhose]

762103

there is alot of chatter about amorim becoming the next manager, if he decides to join, tiagong there is a notice period he has to serve out before joining man u. perhaps RVN may be interim for a few more games? top priority is to steady the ship first during this period of transition

vs leicester in EFL cup, how will the team set up look like? i think it will be the usual 4-2-3-1, but more compact and sit slightly deeper so that there won't be gaping holes in their own half if they lose possession. mazraoui is injured so martinez will play at DL, the experienced evans at DC, amad gets his chance as rashford bochup liao, ugarte (higher workrate and defensive capabilities) to partner casemiro in midfield for the physical presence, fernandes to drop deeper as playmaker

both man u and leicester form not good, but hope RVN can lift the spirits in the short run and the OT crowd be the 12th man

[asiancigar]

UNITED 2 - 1 LEICESTER

[ilovepantyhose]

My thought abt the sacking of botak…


i think ETH sacked primarily due to several reasons:

1) rigid tactics
- play out from the back every game, even against opponent high press, the defence was under immediate pressure once they lose possession in their own half, this issue wasn't resolved after 2 seasons and despite new signings

- midfield got overrun with increasing frequency which also coincided with casemiro drastic drop in performances since season 2. this issue wasn't resolved since season 2

- didn't switch to a back 5 defence despite allowing opponents many shots at goal and the way goals were conceded is blood boiling

- instructing the full backs to invert, they moved infield and left gaps on the flanks which were duly exploited by opponents to overload or cross whenever man u lost the ball

2) deteriorating performances and results
- ETH did not address the issues stemming from his tactics, its the same plan every match, performances and results worsen as season 2 progressed. man u won the fa cup because it was a diff game plan: sit deep and compact, and counter with pace, it was not ETH own plan

- during season 2, man u could take the lead, but cannot hold on to it. many times they couldn't kill off the game and allowed opponents to equalise or even concede late winners, ETH did not address this issue quickly enough. is it concentration? is it mentality? is it complacency? is it nervousness?

- in some matches, man u could start brightly and dominate the initial proceedings, but if they couldn't take the lead, things would go downhill from there. in some matches, man u was slow off the blocks, got increasingly nervy, defended like schboys and conceded

3) player sentiment
- performances and results under ETH were similar to OGS's, OGS also wanted the team to play out from the back but he didn't have the personnel to pass their way out from opponent high press. when results didn't go their way, i dare say the players started to quiet quit, they must have felt disappointed that the manager used the same plan regardless of results and wasn't able to adjust the tactics according to next opponent. even though the players didn't say it publicly, their performances were telling in the final months leading up to the sacking of either manager. (also notice how delulu both managers were during their interviews in their final months)

- read online that ETH would use extra training as "punishment" for poor performances/results, players would be tired before the next match, lose and then go thru extra training. its a vicious cycle as the fatigue would snowball, affected matchday performances and the unhappiness keeps piling up

:p:p to trololol, here's 2 extreme suggestions: 1) sell players who are 24 and older, and promote youngsters to 1st team, let them play together for 2-3 seasons and the understanding should become telepathic, fast-track the wonderkid chido obi-martin to 1st team. 2) reform the wage contract system, players don't get paid if they lose or draw, get paid if they win, and attractive bonuses if win the title or UCL. enough motivation boh? :p:p

[ronaldo1]

i think ETH sacked primarily due to several reasons:

:p:p to trololol, here's 2 extreme suggestions: 1) sell players who are 24 and older, and promote youngsters to 1st team, let them play together for 2-3 seasons and the understanding should become telepathic, fast-track the wonderkid chido obi-martin to 1st team. 2) reform the wage contract system, players don't get paid if they lose or draw, get paid if they win, and attractive bonuses if win the title or UCL. enough motivation boh? :p:p

Quite on point. Plus I think his way of managing players more suited to academy players like at ajax. He use the same style on superstars it just don’t bring out the best in them and breed resentment. So obvious in all the games that the senior players are not fighting for him anymore. I feel even Bruno is forced to just support him on the media because he was made club captain. Unnecessary pressure and responsibility causing his performance to drop since last season. Think about our workplaces its largely the same situation. Gotta adapt to the environment.

[lacoruna69]

Next match is EFL Cup match (Round of 16) against Leicester at OT.
Leicester should be peeing in their pants now because might encounter fiercesome backlash from Man U players who had something to prove.

Looks like I'm right!

The Devils played good right off the bat.

More energectic and urgency. Giving botak a slap on his bald head.

HT : Man U 4-2 Leicester

[lacoruna69]

In this squad can u name me more than 5 players to wear the utd badge!

I can name 3 for now
Martinez
Mainoo
Garnacho

The rest? They are just here for the money including our rashford and Bruno…



I think Amad and Maguire, deserved a mention. Evans at 36 also gives his best.
He was MOTM against Villa.

[Tai_zi21]

I think Amad and Maguire, deserved a mention. Evans at 36 also gives his best.
He was MOTM against Villa.

Yes have to agreed….

And yes usual after the sacking of a manager this team of mother fuckers can thrash Leicester 5-2…. When was the last time they score 5 goals against another team?

[ilovepantyhose]

Giving botak a slap on his bald head.


RVN got the reaction he wanted from the players, here are some thoughts:

- leicester fielded a 2nd string side and the diff in quality is obvious, man u created many chances and scored 5, seems like the lifting of spirits and morale improved performance and result

- slight tweak of tactics as man u would try to move the ball upfield faster, long balls need to be more accurate though, midfielders dropped slightly deeper for better buildup play and reduce the gaps

- zirkzee understanding w teammates not there yet, as he still cannot release the ball fast enough when he spots an open teammate. hope can improve as he plays more

- defensive issues still remain: fullbacks still invert and flanks were left exposed; leicester 1st goal, ball was floated in from free kick, man u was unable to properly clear, ball went to the left flank, 2 leicester players were there to create an overload as man u were slow to close down, cross went in, then bayindir also unable to properly deal with the cross, ball fell to khannouss who scored; leicester 2nd goal, again man u unable to properly clear the ball, and an unmarked coady tapped in the loose ball. man u have developed this nervousness and confusion when defending set pieces, must get rid of it asap

- let amass play, or bring a DL in on loan as addtl cover. martinez would subconciously drift to his usual DC posn from the DL posn. chelsea will certainly exploit unless mazraoui can be fit in time

- pls stop inverting the fullbacks! just let them be traditional fullbacks who operate at their own flanks, inverting them will leave big gaps in the defence and opponents will exploit :mad::mad:

- the players cannot be complacent after this win, as it was against a weakened side, chelsea will be a tough test as they have better form. realistically speaking, man u prolly won't win but must go down fighting

[Rickey]

My thought abt the sacking of botak…

I once thought he will be the manager to lead us to challenge for title… clinching 3rd place and champions league spot in his first season… wining us the energy drink cup…

Just when I thought we will improve from there… who did we sign? Onana? Mount? Pls don’t ever tell me this 2 players improve the team… poor signing season after season… Antony at 80 millions make us the jokers among rival fan… out of all his ex players only Martinez didn’t let us down…for this season signing… did anyone impress ur guys so far? Not for me at least… so the question boil down is the owners wanting the players or the manager?

And to be very honest… I don’t care who come in now? Cos u know what the main prob in Manchester United? The players and the owners…

In this squad can u name me more than 5 players to wear the utd badge!

I can name 3 for now
Martinez
Mainoo
Garnacho

The rest? They are just here for the money including our rashford and Bruno…

Trust me even pep or Zidane can’t save Manchester United now… clear out the deadwood and with glazers and Jim around I don’t think we will ever win a title again

God bless my club that I have supported more than 20 years

Well said bro Tai...can't hv said it better...but let's hope Amorim don't fall into the same trap like botak did....hope he has better footballing management skills n intelligence than the baldy

[Rickey]

i think ETH sacked primarily due to several reasons:

1) rigid tactics
- play out from the back every game, even against opponent high press, the defence was under immediate pressure once they lose possession in their own half, this issue wasn't resolved after 2 seasons and despite new signings

- midfield got overrun with increasing frequency which also coincided with casemiro drastic drop in performances since season 2. this issue wasn't resolved since season 2

- didn't switch to a back 5 defence despite allowing opponents many shots at goal and the way goals were conceded is blood boiling

- instructing the full backs to invert, they moved infield and left gaps on the flanks which were duly exploited by opponents to overload or cross whenever man u lost the ball

2) deteriorating performances and results
- ETH did not address the issues stemming from his tactics, its the same plan every match, performances and results worsen as season 2 progressed. man u won the fa cup because it was a diff game plan: sit deep and compact, and counter with pace, it was not ETH own plan

- during season 2, man u could take the lead, but cannot hold on to it. many times they couldn't kill off the game and allowed opponents to equalise or even concede late winners, ETH did not address this issue quickly enough. is it concentration? is it mentality? is it complacency? is it nervousness?

- in some matches, man u could start brightly and dominate the initial proceedings, but if they couldn't take the lead, things would go downhill from there. in some matches, man u was slow off the blocks, got increasingly nervy, defended like schboys and conceded

3) player sentiment
- performances and results under ETH were similar to OGS's, OGS also wanted the team to play out from the back but he didn't have the personnel to pass their way out from opponent high press. when results didn't go their way, i dare say the players started to quiet quit, they must have felt disappointed that the manager used the same plan regardless of results and wasn't able to adjust the tactics according to next opponent. even though the players didn't say it publicly, their performances were telling in the final months leading up to the sacking of either manager. (also notice how delulu both managers were during their interviews in their final months)

- read online that ETH would use extra training as "punishment" for poor performances/results, players would be tired before the next match, lose and then go thru extra training. its a vicious cycle as the fatigue would snowball, affected matchday performances and the unhappiness keeps piling up

:p:p to trololol, here's 2 extreme suggestions: 1) sell players who are 24 and older, and promote youngsters to 1st team, let them play together for 2-3 seasons and the understanding should become telepathic, fast-track the wonderkid chido obi-martin to 1st team. 2) reform the wage contract system, players don't get paid if they lose or draw, get paid if they win, and attractive bonuses if win the title or UCL. enough motivation boh? :p:p

Well said too bro ILPH....I support yr suggestions... otherwise these lazy players will play the way they like ai mai ai Mai....they must be punished for bad or poor performance n not putting in effort to score for the team ..if they can get away with shit play, then I pity Amorim...they will throw him under the bus too like they did all the previous managers...this is called players' power

[Rickey]

Looks like I'm right!

The Devils played good right off the bat.

More energectic and urgency. Giving botak a slap on his bald head.

HT : Man U 4-2 Leicester
Yes have to agreed….

And yes usual after the sacking of a manager this team of mother fuckers can thrash Leicester 5-2…. When was the last time they score 5 goals against another team?
New manager bounce...yes, but for how long ???...it's only lowly Leicester which is deemed to go back into Division 2...don't be too happy

[Rickey]

RVN got the reaction he wanted from the players, here are some thoughts:

- leicester fielded a 2nd string side and the diff in quality is obvious, man u created many chances and scored 5, seems like the lifting of spirits and morale improved performance and result

- slight tweak of tactics as man u would try to move the ball upfield faster, long balls need to be more accurate though, midfielders dropped slightly deeper for better buildup play and reduce the gaps

- zirkzee understanding w teammates not there yet, as he still cannot release the ball fast enough when he spots an open teammate. hope can improve as he plays more

- defensive issues still remain: fullbacks still invert and flanks were left exposed; leicester 1st goal, ball was floated in from free kick, man u was unable to properly clear, ball went to the left flank, 2 leicester players were there to create an overload as man u were slow to close down, cross went in, then bayindir also unable to properly deal with the cross, ball fell to khannouss who scored; leicester 2nd goal, again man u unable to properly clear the ball, and an unmarked coady tapped in the loose ball. man u have developed this nervousness and confusion when defending set pieces, must get rid of it asap

- let amass play, or bring a DL in on loan as addtl cover. martinez would subconciously drift to his usual DC posn from the DL posn. chelsea will certainly exploit unless mazraoui can be fit in time

- pls stop inverting the fullbacks! just let them be traditional fullbacks who operate at their own flanks, inverting them will leave big gaps in the defence and opponents will exploit :mad::mad:

- the players cannot be complacent after this win, as it was against a weakened side, chelsea will be a tough test as they have better form. realistically speaking, man u prolly won't win but must go down fighting
Yes, u r right...their basic weaknesses r still there....they r playing against a very weak team ...it they can score like this against Chelsea this weekend, then there is hope they can be in top 4 or top 6...I still say, there r still a lot of deadwoods in this current team, if the club can't get rid of them they will keep losing matches whether it's Amorim, Pep or Klopp in charge

[ChrisSutton]

Man United v Chelsea

Sutton's prediction: 1-1

[Marmots]

Trust me even pep or Zidane can’t save Manchester United now… clear out the deadwood and with glazers and Jim around I don’t think we will ever win a title again

God bless my club that I have supported more than 20 years

What you say is the truth.
Since SAF left, Man Utd has regressed much, for huge was his shadow.

The rebuilding is going to be slow, and it is going to be painful.
I honestly don't think Jason Wilcox as tech director is going to cut it, Marc Overmars would be great, but too much baggage.

There is indeed too much deadwood at Man Utd now, Antony at £200k per week first and foremost.
Casemiro is at £350k per week, £18.2m/year.
Way overpaid, way way overpaid.
RashFord is showing some signs of being better than last season, but still not good enough. It is honestly not hard to be better than how he performed last season.

This season, except for Yoro, all we got were hand me downs, players that were not good enough for their own teams but deemed good enough for Man Utd.
But at least this time, Man Utd did not break the bank for them, nor could Man Utd have, with the FFP thing.

Now rumours indicate Amorim wants some of his Sporting players, a la ETH and Ajax. I worry at this.

But being the supporters we are, we will continue to believe, I guess we have to.
When SAF brought the glories to Man Utd, the Directors, CEO, any executive staff were largely irrelevant.
SAF built Man Utd up again brick by brick by brick.

Man Utd need, Man Utd will, find someone to do it again.
I have faith.
We have been with Man Utd through the ups, we will be there when they are down, for we are Manchester United.

P/S: I did dumped Man Utd when Mourinho came onboard, but wasn't unfaithful, just did not care about Man Utd while he was there. Hated his arrogance.
Forgive me :o

[ilovepantyhose]

on the lighter side of things, saw this online on how will RVN fit in if amorim takes over as manager :p

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for nostalgia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g62jT1ukrY

hojlund must study how RVN operated as a SC, can hold the ball, can shoot with either foot, can head, his positioning, his movement, a clinical and ruthless goal machine

[Marmots]

Its official now.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-appoint-ruben-amorim-as-new-head-coach

I am cautiously optimistic.

But more concerned with the next 3 matches under RvN. With where we are now, can't afford anymore losses at advantage ground, Old Trafford.

Man Utd vs Chelsea - Home Win.

4-3(2)

[asiancigar]

https://www.manutd.com

[lacoruna69]

"Sporting have also confirmed that United will pay an €11 million (£9.2m) release clause for his services."

Sounds desperate....and pretty bad financial sense too. :p

"Amorim’s stock has risen considerably throughout his four-year tenure at Sporting. He broke the domestic dominance of rivals Benfica and Porto by ending the club’s 19-year title drought with a memorable Primeira Liga triumph in 2021, alongside a League Cup victory."

Amorim record at Sporting looks impressive though. He transformed the club from nobody to title winners. First title in 19 years.

For the record, Manchester United last won the Premier League title almost a decade ago in 2012/13, in what was to be the last season that legendary manager Sir Alex Ferguson would spend at the club.

[JonesKnows]

Man United v Chelsea

SCORE PREDICTION: 2-2

[asiancigar]

United 2 - 1 Chelsea

[Rickey]

"Sporting have also confirmed that United will pay an €11 million (£9.2m) release clause for his services."

Sounds desperate....and pretty bad financial sense too. :p

"Amorim’s stock has risen considerably throughout his four-year tenure at Sporting. He broke the domestic dominance of rivals Benfica and Porto by ending the club’s 19-year title drought with a memorable Primeira Liga triumph in 2021, alongside a League Cup victory."

Amorim record at Sporting looks impressive though. He transformed the club from nobody to title winners. First title in 19 years.

For the record, Manchester United last won the Premier League title almost a decade ago in 2012/13, in what was to be the last season that legendary manager Sir Alex Ferguson would spend at the club.
He would end up in the same fate as baldy if the club or he himself doesnt know how to take steps to prevent himself from being thrown under the bus by this group of lazy but powerful players

[Rickey]

United 2 - 1 Chelsea
I hope so too...all of them would hv to be at their best, no laziness, sloppiness n most of all play fast attacking football not so slow the ai mai ai mai type...n make sure they wear men's n not ladies underwear going onto the pitch

[ilovepantyhose]

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hojlund replaces zirkzee upfront, mazraoui should be fit and martinez reverts back to DC. given chelsea good form, man u unlikely to win, draw at best

[asiancigar]

BANANA ALMOST LET IN A GOAL !!!!!

[asiancigar]

HALF TIME : UNITED 0 - 0 CHELSEA

BOTH SIDES HIT THE WOODWORK ....

HOJLAND IS TERRIBLE, RASHFORD IS OFF FORM AND ....

I STILL INSIST THAT BANANA IS USELESS !!!!

[asiancigar]

EVEN GARNACHO IS PLAYING LIKE HE HAD A SCREW BEFORE THE MATCH..... SO WEAK !!!!

[asiancigar]

PENALTY UNITED 1 - 0 CHELSEA !!!!!

[asiancigar]

FUCKING BANANA ........ UNITED 1 - 1 CHELSEA

[lacoruna69]

FT : Man U 1-1 Chelsea

A fair result I would say.

I'm not sure what Amorim can bring to the club, but looks like RvN is doing a good job.
The play is more direct going forward.
No unnecessary "play from the back" BS.
When the ball is lost, the players will work hard to get it back.
Positive signs.

Chelsea do looks more threatening going forward. The Devils appears quite weak in the middle of the park.
Nonetheless, I feel the players did well against Chelsea. If under botak, likely would have lost the game. :p

I wish Amad would have come on earlier. He was a threat on the right and he holds the ball up well.
De Ligt still looks a bit worrying as a CB. There were a few instances he looks lost. Lucky Chelsea didn't capitalise.

[lacoruna69]

I had been noticing Zirkzee looks like he got iron shins or what??

He is the only player not wearing proper shin guards, it appears.
Since first match is like this.

https://ibb.co/Nxkw06N.jpg

https://ibb.co/Nxkw06N

[Rickey]

FT : Man U 1-1 Chelsea

A fair result I would say.

I'm not sure what Amorim can bring to the club, but looks like RvN is doing a good job.
The play is more direct going forward.
No unnecessary "play from the back" BS.
When the ball is lost, the players will work hard to get it back.
Positive signs.

Chelsea do looks more threatening going forward. The Devils appears quite weak in the middle of the park.
Nonetheless, I feel the players did well against Chelsea. If under botak, likely would have lost the game. :p

I wish Amad would have come on earlier. He was a threat on the right and he holds the ball up well.
De Ligt still looks a bit worrying as a CB. There were a few instances he looks lost. Lucky Chelsea didn't capitalise.
Yes, they did played a little better than under the baldy as the manager is new n he is someone they like...or was it Chelsea was also scared of them fearing new manager bounce n so did not play to their best esp their 2 best strikers Palmer n Jackson....pity Amorim, the incoming manager, don't think he will be able to control these lazy players n so he will suffer the same fate as all the previous managers...let's hope they wake up n play more energetically n skilfully which are the ingredients to win matches

[fiqryz01]

At this point we need new manager every match…

[ilovepantyhose]

FT : Man U 1-1 Chelsea

A fair result I would say.


a "good" result for man u, not for chelsea :p

here are some addtl thoughts:

- uneventful 1st half, most exciting were madueke and rashford attempts hitting the post, chelsea attack was better as man u struggled to create chances

- man u is vulnerable to high/long balls played in, and chelsea also found their way thru the middle easily, the central square - 2 DCs and 2 MCs are so open that opponents can cut thru at will, need 3 DCs and 3 MCs to make it less porous, maybe amorim new system can improve the team

- looks like casemiro cannot play more than 1 match per week, vs leicester he was all over the pitch, last night he struggled

- hojlund, like zirkzee, was too slow to release the ball to open teammate twice, 2 potential chances gone

- a wtf moment at 55', chelsea attack and cucurella accelerated down the left to overlap neto, rashford saw him run, run abit try to track and then gave up, luckily neto didn't exploit this overload. rashford might not get much game time unless he ups his defensive contribution under amorim

- garnacho was so wasteful, really need to improve his finishing. the attackers in general are capable of creating chances but unable to finish, they must improve finishing as well as composure, garnacho/fernandes skied their shots when clear sight of goal (facepalms)

- martinez was lucky to avoid a red card for his challenge on palmer, he can't be so rash

- next match is UEL, vs PAOK at home, after 3 consecutive draws, RVN will want man u to attack but think PAOK will park the bus, so gonna be a 4th draw :o

[Marmots]

Wasted chances in the match.
The players just need more composure in front of goal.

Why was Fernandes celebrating like winning the world cup after the penalty ?
As if Chelsea was intergalactic space gods that cannot be defeated, celebrate sure, but not as if it was unexpected or incredible.
It sets a tone, a vibe, damn over the top celebration did not re-engergize the team as equaliser conceded shortly.

For the moment, Man Utd have players better suited to 4 at the back than play with 3 center backs, which is Amorim preferred style.
Would be interesting to see how he adapts.

Lenny Yoro is scheduled to return on 11 Nov, something to look forward to.

Man Utd has to win the next 2 matches, or risk falling further behind in both leagues.
After 10 matches, Man Utd is 6 points off 4th-6th place in the EPL.
I would be very very happy if Man Utd can make it to Top 4, even Top 6 would be a good achievement, for this season.

[Rickey]

...pity Amorim, the incoming manager, don't think he will be able to control these lazy players n so he will suffer the same fate as all the previous managers...let's hope they wake up n play more energetically n skilfully which are the ingredients to win matches
Wow, Amorim's Sporting trashed Pep's Citeh 4-1 this morning in the Champions league with a hattrick from his best player Victor Gyokeres :)...

neighbour in blue Haaland missed a penalty...look like Pep is on the decline now as his contract is nearing its end next summer....but seeing the highlights Pep shd hv won 5-4 becos there were a few chances they missed like the useless MU strikers n a few others they shd hv scored if not for the saves of the Sporting GK....

there seems to be some hope for MU with this guy as their new manager but only if he is able to bring this guy Gyokeres over n remove all the current deadwoods in the MU team...if not I pity him he will struggle just like all the previous managers n be thrown under the bus by them

[lacoruna69]

there seems to be some hope for MU with this guy as their new manager but only if he is able to bring this guy Gyokeres over n remove all the current deadwoods in the MU team...if not I pity him he will struggle just like all the previous managers n be thrown under the bus by them

Whats more amazing is come back victory after fallen behind through a Foden goal.

There had been much talk about this Viktor Gyökeres. He was playing in Coventry a few seasons ago.
Then snapped up by Sporting on 2023 in a five year deal for only €20 million.
Score like no tomorrow under Amorim.

Maybe he is 26, so didn't fit in that young profile required by Man U.

Then, get 2 craps in Hojlund and slow poke Zirkzee.

Nuff said.

What is the use of rubbing your dick over the juicy pussy but can't insert in??? :D

[ilovepantyhose]

Whats more amazing is come back victory after fallen behind through a Foden goal.


foden's goal is similar to how man u concede goals when they try to play out from the back under ETH. the sporting player lost the ball when kena pressed, city regained possession, immediately create chance and scored. if amorim also want man u to play out from the back, he must think of a way to negate opponent pressing which is more intense in PL. also the ball carrier must be also to dribble his way out under high pressure, and have vision and passing range to find teammates. who is this ball carrier in man u squad? i think the best candidate is fernandes, the next best is martinez. or else go direct and pass to hojlund or the winger

sporting's 2nd half vs city is exactly the game plan to execute against such flair opponents incld pool & arsenal, be compact, restrict opponent space and counter with pace

its also impt that the squad is receptive to amorim tactics and methods, otherwise the whole drama will replay every 2 yrs after new manager appointment

[lacoruna69]

its also impt that the squad is receptive to Amorim tactics and methods, otherwise the whole drama will replay every 2 yrs after new manager appointment

Thank you!

I also go watch the highlights.

Like what Bro Rickey mentioned, Amorim needs to bring along his top striker Gyökeres for his soak and strike strategy to work.
I read on some reviews that Amorim also favor "play from the back" style. :eek:
Think he is in for a big surprise when he found out the pussies are unable to hold the ball confidently. :D

Btw, Gyökeres is also on many big clubs radar and Barcelona thinks he is a good replacement for aging Lewandowski.

How come no big clubs pick him out when he was in Coventry???

[Marmots]

Been following Man Utd news more avidly since sack of ETH.
Find most outlets to be just unfound made up stuff, daily express and mirror really bad for accurate news.

TeamTalk and BBC remains the better and more accurate outlet altho can be slower.

The good things being said about Amorim now, have more or less been said about ETH, therein lies the worries.
And ETH performed really well in his first season in charge, but his stubbornness caused his eventual downfall.

Amorim started his coaching career using 4-4-2, after losing first 2 matches, he switched to 3-4-3 as a make or break, if lost again, he would quit.
Won his 3rd match in charge and never looked back.

From reading commentaries on his style of coaching, he is more than willing to change tactics/strategy slightly to suit his players' strength, which is good.
But I especially like his promoting 17 year old player to first team. Encouragement and willing to play youth is always great.

The biggest worry I have on Amorim is that he would, like ETH, underestimate the intensity of EPL.
The other is naturally the deadwood at Man Utd, performing at 5/10 week in week out and have a huge wage.
Hopefully Amorim can motivate them enough and we can see a different side of them.

On another note, when ETH lost to West Ham, I was thinking, don't you fucking wish you have McTominay in the squad you dumb shit ?
I would take McTom over Fernandes any time.

[ilovepantyhose]

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i think RVN will bench garnacho as he was really wasteful with chances, rashford switch to AML, and amad as AMR where he can supply to hojlund. PAOK has poorer form but man u cannot be complacent, must go out for a win, or at the very least cannot lose

[lacoruna69]

I think RVN will bench garnacho as he was really wasteful with chances, rashford switch to AML, and amad as AMR where he can supply to hojlund. PAOK has poorer form but man u cannot be complacent, must go out for a win, or at the very least cannot lose

Will see what RvN is made of.

It is alarming to think that nowadays any team can go the Theatre of Dreams and will have a genuine chance to collect all 3 points.

The match is at 4am btw. :o

[lacoruna69]

i think RVN will bench garnacho as he was really wasteful with chances, rashford switch to AML, and amad as AMR where he can supply to hojlund. PAOK has poorer form but man u cannot be complacent, must go out for a win, or at the very least cannot lose

FT : Man U 2-0 PAOK

Garnacho started but on AML. Amad on AMR. Rashford relegate to bench.

And what a performance from Amad! Constant threat on the right.
Did what his other forward teammates are unable to do so,
scored 2 goals to calm the nerves.

First a wicked looping header then a fabulous curler after robbing the ball off a PAOK player.

I hope Amorim is watching and know who to start as AMR in future matches.

[ChrisSutton]

Man United v Leicester

Sutton's prediction: 2-1

[Rickey]

FT : Man U 2-0 PAOK

Garnacho started but on AML. Amad on AMR. Rashford relegate to bench.

And what a performance from Amad! Constant threat on the right.
Did what his other forward teammates are unable to do so,
scored 2 goals to calm the nerves.

First a wicked looping header then a fabulous curler after robbing the ball off a PAOK player.

I hope Amorim is watching and know who to start as AMR in future matches.
Yah, great match for them in Europe since they hv been losing or drawing their last few in the past year...RVN has proven he is a better manager than botak cos of his shrewd selection of players for his matches daring to cast anyone aside if they r not performing n not playing his favourites ....this is botak' Achilles heel n downfall persisting in playing his favourite players match after match when he knows they r underperforming just like OGS b4 him ...

Great goals by Amad...he is a better player than Garnacho don't run around like a headless chicken

[Rickey]

Man United v Leicester

Sutton's prediction: 2-1

Time for them to pick up another 3 points n climb up the league ladder

[lacoruna69]

additional points and thoughts.

1. It is worrying as Hojlund appears to have another off day. I totally didn't know he is playing. Have to rely on Amad, which is worrying.

2. At times, I feel it is Amad against the entire PAOK team. Where is the fire from the other players??? I only see the desire to win from Amad.
They way he forcefully robbed the ball from a PAOK player to shoot in the second was astonishing by recent standards. This is what had been missing from the players all along. This is what distinguish Devils from pussies.
He was wreaking havoc down the right and PAOK players are scared of him.

3. PAOK could have also scored. But luckily their strikers aren't clinical. Like our Hojlund. Also look at the 63rd minute, the central defence totally went MIA.
Tarik Tissoudali had all the time in the world to placed the shot. Unfortunately, his tame effort was smothered by Onana.
Take a look at the below pic.

https://imgur.com/U4413bO.jpg

[Rickey]

additional points and thoughts.

1. It is worrying as Hojlund appears to have another off day. I totally didn't know he is playing. Have to rely on Amad, which is worrying.

2. At times, I feel it is Amad against the entire PAOK team. Where is the fire from the other players??? I only see the desire to win from Amad.
They way he forcefully robbed the ball from a PAOK player to shoot in the second was astonishing by recent standards. This is what had been missing from the players all along. This is what distinguish Devils from pussies.
He was wreaking havoc down the right and PAOK players are scared of him.

3. PAOK could have also scored. But luckily their strikers aren't clinical. Like our Hojlund. Also look at the 63rd minute, the central defence totally went MIA.
Tarik Tissoudali had all the time in the world to placed the shot. Unfortunately, his tame effort was smothered by Onana.
Take a look at the below pic.

https://imgur.com/U4413bO.jpg

The problem is they have been buying half boiled eggs who hv no experience to play in epl...boiled eggs like Harry Kane n Toney Ivan who r real prolific strikers that can bang in goals anytime they don't want to buy citing too expensive or too old man a waste of money

[ilovepantyhose]

additional points and thoughts.


its not entirely hojlund's fault, supply to him is limited as all 4 wingers style are mostly attack the flank, then cut back to penalty spot area (hojlund already in 6yd box by then), or cut to strong foot and shoot, maybe 1-2 times out of 10 they cross into the box. if hojlund had the supply from beckham giggs like RVN did, he would be scoring loads too :o one recurring issue is the poor quality of the final ball when attacking, must practise until they can do it with their eyes closed

amad showed desire, which is what the fans want to see. its wishful thinking but i hope he can be capt as he leads by example, if his teammates aren't putting in effort, just go keano on them

since last season, man u have this knn habit where they allow opponents comeback after going ahead. after they scored, they self pat and self praise well done and go to cruise mode until final whistle. when defending, they have the annoying habit of ball watching and not tracking runners, numerous goals were conceded this way and they never learnt their lesson! i think its more of players fault rather than ETH, really need to improve their awareness and concentration. same thing happened last night, after scoring, man u allowed PAOK back into the game, the players ball watched as the ball went to tissoudali who was totally unmarked at the penalty spot! really WTF... luckily tissoudali couldn't finish

so many issues to resolve, amorim plate will be overflowing when he starts

[JonesKnows]

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1

[lacoruna69]

its not entirely hojlund's fault, supply to him is limited as all 4 wingers style are mostly attack the flank, then cut back to penalty spot area (hojlund already in 6yd box by then), or cut to strong foot and shoot, maybe 1-2 times out of 10 they cross into the box. if hojlund had the supply from beckham giggs like RVN did, he would be scoring loads too :o one recurring issue is the poor quality of the final ball when attacking, must practise until they can do it with their eyes closed

so many issues to resolve, amorim plate will be overflowing when he starts

Yes, this is what I observe. I always presume it is Hojlund's bad positional sense. I'm not sure how they trained strikers nowadays.
I ever read somewhere in an old soccer magazine that the great Jürgen Klinsmann says in his youth training days, he was blind-folded in the box and will need to use his natural instinct and hearing sense to attack the ball when it comes in.
If the wingers dun want to supply crosses, no point playing out and out striker. Slow-poke Zirkzee also admits he is a 9.5 forward. Meaning will drop back for link-up play.
Might as well slot in extra midfielder to beef up the middle of the park.
Move Bruno up as false nine since he is cannot defend type.

Throw Zirkzee back to Serie A since he will be redundant.

[ilovepantyhose]

Yes, this is what I observe

for man u, the inverted winger sort of started with januzaj, and then rashford. the standard moves were to run directly at opponent, try to beat him with dribbling or with pace; if attack down the flank in the penalty area, he would try to shoot from a tight angle, if cannot then try to square pass or cut back; if the winger dribble and cut the ball to strong foot, its to shoot (like the usual rashford move). the winger also had the option to pass to teammate who overlapped to create overload at the flank

but under ETH, he go and invert the fullbacks and end up nobody overlapping to provide an option out wide for the inverted winger. so its very easy to defend against, just put 2 players on the winger, if dribble will find himself 1v2, if shoot also likely will be blocked, so more often than not, he passed backwards. the burden on the winger is huge because he is expected to conjure something magical all on his own when the ball is passed to him. in theory inverting the fullbacks sounds nice as man u can overload the midfield, but in reality, their flanks were so exposed whenever they lose the ball, sigh ETH too stubborn to adjust his tactics

now under RVN, the fullbacks are back to being traditional, where they operate on their flank, and also overlap to provide an option for the winger. BUT BUT BUT both rashford garnacho aren't the tracking back type, so the fullbacks cannot overlap all the time like G.nev evra did

because of the inverted winger fad, the role of the SC has changed, rather than being the focal point where teammates pass to him and he score goals, he has become someone to startup an attack, usually to hold up the ball, and quick release to open teammate. hojlund's current game is more of that, and making runs to drag defenders out of posn. if want hojlund to score goals, it means that man u cannot invert their wingers and must play them as traditional so that they can provide crosses into the box. it also mean man u transfer policy is self contradicting as they sign inverted wingers and traditional SC and expect them to be effective... in football manager game lah maybe :p

still too early to judge zirkzee, gotta give him time to adapt :o

[ilovepantyhose]

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leicester will be fielding a full strength side to try and get a result at OT. RVN will restore de ligt martinez as his central DC pair, amad has a knock vs PAOK, hope he can recover in time to face leicester. i would prefer rashford as AML as garnacho still inconsistent with final product

both teams form are soso, hope man u can make full use of home ground advantage to go for a win as RVN interim period comes to an end

[asiancigar]

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1


TOTALLY CONCUR !!!!!!!

[lacoruna69]

for man u, the inverted winger sort of started with januzaj, ..........

still too early to judge zirkzee, gotta give him time to adapt :o

Thank you very much for the concise explanation of inverted wingers/fullbacks.

I went to youtube to see some videos on inverted wingers, to understand better.

My mind still frozen in the Beckham/Gigga era....I guess.

So the bald head somehow got it wrong as he wants the fullback to do the inversion technique.

But it appears things aren't going well and the goals somehow aren't happening.

Maybe will need genius Amorim to figure how best fit all the players in a new system/formation.

[ilovepantyhose]

My mind still frozen in the Beckham/Gigga era....I guess.


haha same for me too, the system under SAF was simple and effective, plus he had good players who can consistently perform. when u watch the video of RVN goals for man u, many came from beckham giggs, the quality of beckham crosses are a SC wet dream :p

how to negate inverted winger? maybe can play 5-4-1, sit deep and compact, deny space of winger, and play on the counter. inverted wingers like salah, saka, foden are devastating when given space

amorim might get a culture shock when he sees first hand how aggressively PL teams high press their opponents, he gotta be flexible and come up with a way to bypass opponent high press

[Rickey]

TOTALLY CONCUR !!!!!!!

It's half time n it's 2-0 to the Red Devils...the captain scoring a brace...Leicester could hv hit back with 2 of their own but for some good defending from the reds...it is still very precarious for them as Leicester is capable of scoring on the break if they hv better strikers like Bruno Fernandes...the 1st half red pussies passing not so good losing control of the ball n allowing Leicester to attack back...the pubor kia gave away a few free kicks to Leicester near their penalty area ...luckily they couldn't score

Let's see how the 2nd half...the blues came out to a flying start attacking the red pussies

[Rickey]

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1

So close ! ..Jones nearly always knows ...n the Red Devils win 3-0 :)...the last goal by the genius of a strike from just outside the Leicester box into the far corner of the net by none other than the super sub Garnacho :)

The glory days r starting to cum back hopefully....thanks to interim manager RVN ....GGMU !!

[lacoruna69]

FT : Man U 3-0 Leicester

(13th in the table)

Would say it is pretty solid performance.
RvN started Amad which is a good choice. His lovely backheel pass led to Bruno's opener. He could have got on the scoresheet later with that mazy dribble, but he shot straight at Hermansen

At least the approach going forward is there, which culminates into 3 goals.
Can see the players work hard to get back the ball once they lost it.
Simple and direct under RvN.
Consecutive clean sheet for Onana as well.

The league will take an international break, there after Amorim will take over.
Amorim will bring along his own coaching staff, so will RvN be forced out?

[asiancigar]

NO THANKS TO ETH, DESPITE ALL OF RvN'S BRILLIANT SHORT MANAGEMENT SPELL, WE ARE STILL LYING 13TH .....

[Marmots]

We shall have a new start. Again.
Much thanks to RvN for steadying the ship when it was needed.
RvN wants to be Man Utd manager for the long term sometime in the future.
At this point, I sincerely hope not.
Cause the only way he's coming back in, can only be the way Amorim came in, previous manager sacked.

Amorim first match will be away to Ipswich, who lies 17th in the table(could have been us there if ETH was still around).
Hard to ask for a better start, unless it was at home ground.
State of Man Utd now is nothing less than a win is needed.

Next match after is at home to Bodø/Glimt, who lies at 12th, 3 places above Man Utd, with 1 point more.
Need another win.
Opponents may not be the toughest, but the expectations will weigh heavy on him.

Amorim brings with him a sport scientist, hope that significantly helps to alleviate the injury problems.

I wonder if Amorim will continue with 4-2-3-1 that the Man Utd squad is familiar with, or wholesale into 3-4-3.
He is nothing if not practical, and most incoming managers tend to play to the squad's strength than to go straight into new formations.

All that said, Amorim's task is heavy, and it is hard.
Even if we finish outside top 10 this season, he can't be blamed.

Nonetheless, I look for any regulars to go the distance with me.
If We win the Europa League, or finish in Top 2(3?) in the EPL, lets go DONOR (again) :D

[ilovepantyhose]

RvN started Amad which is a good choice.

the way amad fights for the ball shows alot of desire, he isn't afraid to go head to head with opponent, man u need the squad to be gritty like him. is he a possible candidate as RWB under amorim? maybe can experiment during training sessions, he certainly needs to train up his defensive abilities though. ugarte is also slowly growing into his role as DMC, he was all over the field, pressing, breaking up plays, and showing his "bite". the midfield has more bite now due to amad ugarte, can do with one more as man u needs to be like arsenal of the 90s/00s (a combo of steel and flair) and stop being a laughing stock

gotta kpkb about dalot again, he had a poor game last night, allowing his opponent go past several times, conceded fouls near the box, and the WTF moment at 27' where he switched off, failed to track ndidi run, then played him onside and basically gave up. ironically, its ndidi who bailed him out because he couldn't finish. dalot needs to be dropped, which is why suggest amad to be RWB, amorim cannot pang chance just because fellow countrymen, only select him as last resort

hojlund might get affected by the lack of supply and lack of goals, maybe amorim can instruct more crosses to be put in (mazraoui cross into the box is a nightmare to deal with and leicester own goal). hojlund can train to be the designated pen taker

garnacho gave attitude despite scoring, he needs the senior squad members to temper and keep him grounded

RVN style is influenced by SAF, move the ball forward with purpose, dun force the issue & reset if necessary, fullbacks overlap, cross into box, close down deny opponent space, teammates help to cover the posn if one is out of posn. RVN record is a respectable P4 W3 D1 L0, we thank him for steadying the ship following ETH departure. its uncertain whether RVN will stay on at man u, but really hope that he does so that he can work with the strikers and impart his experience to them

although unbeaten in 4 games, man u cannot rest on their laurels become complacent otherwise its just another false dawn and same drama will replay 2yrs later

[ilovepantyhose]

I wonder if Amorim will continue with 4-2-3-1 that the Man Utd squad is familiar with, or wholesale into 3-4-3.


the international break ends 19nov, the players need a day for travel, so the entire squad will meet with amorim for the 1st time on 21nov earliest? i think amorim will switch to 3-4-3 immediately because man u will be playing 9 games in Dec, so ipswich and bodo glimt games will be like "trial" to work out the kinks, and the squad also need a "clean break" from ETH era :p

how will amorim's man u look like? for now evans will be the middle DC as maguire yoro are still out; amad as RWB who can attack down the right flank or cut in; fernandes has some freedom to roam despite at inside right, he can overlap amad and provide crosses, or he can drop deeper and it becomes 3-4-1-2; rashford on the left to attack the flank or cut in; mazraoui provide overlap option for rashford or he can cross into the box. the 3-4-3 can be fluid and flexible to become 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-1-2 depending on opponent. i do foresee one problem: how high amorim wants to play his defensive line because the current DCs are not the fastest, we shall see if his system is suitable for english football *pray hard to footballing gods*

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[lacoruna69]

BREAKING!!

RvN will play no part in Amorim setup.

Kind of expected when you see RvN waving to the OT crowd after the 3-0 win over Leicester.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/manchester-united-confirm-ruud-van-171631414.html

I think Amorim will also view RvN as a threat even though the Dutchman says he is satisfied being an assistant.

Bye and Take Care, Ruud!!

[Rickey]

BREAKING!!

RvN will play no part in Amorim setup.

Kind of expected when you see RvN waving to the OT crowd after the 3-0 win over Leicester.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/manchester-united-confirm-ruud-van-171631414.html

I think Amorim will also view RvN as a threat even though the Dutchman says he is satisfied being an assistant.

Bye and Take Care, Ruud!!
Agreed with all that bro lacoruna said....one house cannot hv 2 masters or an organisation hv 2 CEOs or red indian chiefs... otherwise they will sabo or undermine each other n then the kah kia don't know to listen to who n there will be a fight one day breaking up the organisation into 2 camps thereby breaking the unity of the group.

He shd go elsewhere to make a name for himself 1st n cum back later to take the position when it is available after Amorim leaves on his own accord or is sacked

[asiancigar]

BREAKING!!

RvN will play no part in Amorim setup.

Kind of expected when you see RvN waving to the OT crowd after the 3-0 win over Leicester.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/manchester-united-confirm-ruud-van-171631414.html

I think Amorim will also view RvN as a threat even though the Dutchman says he is satisfied being an assistant.

Bye and Take Care, Ruud!!

RvN will have a briliant career in EPL..... lots of clubs would want him after his recent short stint with United, GOODLUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS RUUD !!!!!

[Marmots]

Full thanks and appreciation to Ruud Van Nistelrooy for being there when needed.
Wish you the best.

I feel it is for the best Ruud left the club, he already knew the structure and as he said, he was not ready to be long term manager of Man Utd yet.
He would benefit more from being at other clubs and learning more and different things and be more experienced, should Man Utd one day need him.

Amorim intends to go straight into a back 3 from the get go, his choice of wing backs will be interesting.
Højlund and Gyökeres are strikers of the same mould, strength and power, just need to have decent supply like Gyökeres got.
Amorim changed his strategy slightly when he got Gyökeres, having the players play more direct balls to him.
Højlund is a decent hardworking player, he has potential. He did have a wonderful stretch last season.

Trivia on Gyökeres. Before Gyökeres moved to Coventry from Brighton, our Dan AshWorth was the sporting directOR at Brighton. Not sure tho if it meant he sanctioned/approved the sale.

I look forward to the appearance of Yoro and see if can be a future stalwart in the defence of Man Utd.

And of course.

Rúben Amorim

WELCOME TO THE THEATRE OF DREAMS

[lacoruna69]

Agreed with all that bro lacoruna said....one house cannot hv 2 masters or an organisation hv 2 CEOs or red indian chiefs... ...

He shd go elsewhere to make a name for himself 1st n cum back later to take the position when it is available after Amorim leaves on his own accord or is sacked

To add on, RvN is a crowd favorite at OT due to his past goal exploits.
A staggering 150 goals in 219 games!:eek:

While Amorim is practically an unknown, especially in England.

You can't be walking out onto the sidelines at OT, then you hear the crowd chanting and cheering your assistant's name. :D

Since the departue of SAF, every change in manager brings a new hope, but then it fizzled out.
I guess so far, the more successful one is José "The Special One" Mourinho.
Winning the Community Shield, EFL and Europa in his first season.
Even then he only stayed 2.5 seasons, got sacked just before Xmas.

Next one is OGS, which we branded him Infant.
Say what you want, this guy always conjure majestic victories against the arrogant Blue City neighbours.
A win in derby always brings immense joy.
Don't forget that iconic Champions League comeback away to Paris Saint-Germain too.

How far can Amorim go?
Only time will tell.......

[ilovepantyhose]

BREAKING!!

RvN will play no part in Amorim setup.



saw something trololol online... "RVN was forced out by another ex sporting cp man" :p:p:p

wish RVN all the best for the next chapter of his managerial career!

[Rickey]

saw something trololol online... "RVN was forced out by another ex sporting cp man" :p:p:p

wish RVN all the best for the next chapter of his managerial career!

You mean Amorim ?? :confused:

[ilovepantyhose]

You mean Amorim ?? :confused:

yes he's from sporting

[Rickey]

yes he's from sporting

Oic, thanks for the clarification

[Marmots]

Don't understand why Joshua Zirkzee getting so much negative press.
He has only played 430 mins of league games so far, and not many starts.
Højlund himself took some time, and everyone can see that supply to the strikers are just on the low side.

He has 0.21 goals/90 mins, compared to Højlund 0.22 goals/90 mins.
If there is a problem, feels like a supply issue first.
Who didn't suck while under ETH anyways, even Fernandes was not doing well.

Found this interesting website with players stats.

https://footystats.org/players/netherlands/joshua-zirkzee

For the first time in a long while, quite excited for Man Utd, although I try to temper it with caution.

The different style of playing will probably catch Ipswich off guard, but looking forward more to Amorim's more well known attacking plays.

Injured players are starting to return, Luke Shaw, Malacia and Yoro back in training.
Thats very decent potential there, just have to keep the injury curse at bay.

One thing to worry tho, I watched Amorim last game in charge, Braga vs Sporting. They won 2-4, coming back from 2-0 down.
Sporting players were ball watching just like Man Utd when conceding.
Of 4 goals scored, 3 were from outside the penalty box, may have been a strategy change with Gyökeres marked out of the game.
Last 2 goals scored at 89th and 90+4 minutes.
Like the fighting spirit, will be great if Amorim and instill that in the players, keep going, and going.

[Rickey]

Don't understand why Joshua Zirkzee getting so much negative press.
He has only played 430 mins of league games so far, and not many starts.
Højlund himself took some time, and everyone can see that supply to the strikers are just on the low side.

He has 0.21 goals/90 mins, compared to Højlund 0.22 goals/90 mins.
If there is a problem, feels like a supply issue first.
Who didn't suck while under ETH anyways, even Fernandes was not doing well.

Found this interesting website with players stats.

https://footystats.org/players/netherlands/joshua-zirkzee

For the first time in a long while, quite excited for Man Utd, although I try to temper it with caution.

The different style of playing will probably catch Ipswich off guard, but looking forward more to Amorim's more well known attacking plays.

Injured players are starting to return, Luke Shaw, Malacia and Yoro back in training.
Thats very decent potential there, just have to keep the injury curse at bay.

One thing to worry tho, I watched Amorim last game in charge, Braga vs Sporting. They won 2-4, coming back from 2-0 down.
Sporting players were ball watching just like Man Utd when conceding.
Of 4 goals scored, 3 were from outside the penalty box, may have been a strategy change with Gyökeres marked out of the game.
Last 2 goals scored at 89th and 90+4 minutes.
Like the fighting spirit, will be great if Amorim and instill that in the players, keep going, and going.

Practically every pundit in U-tube is predicting a narrow win for the red devils 2-1 or at least a draw against Ipswich this sunday...don't tell me they dare to turn to pussies again n lay down their tools n sabo new manager Amorim from Sporting Lisbon by drawing or even losing the match...this will seah sway the renowned manager from Portugal who having been doing very well there for the last 4 years winning cups n titles

The reason why this guy is getting negative comments is becos of his body language while playing on the pitch during those few chances he was given to play ..in 1 of the match he gave that lost look n can see he was lazy to chase after the ball thereby running around the pitch aimlessly like a headless chicken...hojlund on the other hand is way much better than him, always trying to chase the ball to put it into the net...his 18 goals last season shows his energy n desire to score goals but not this guy who scored only 1 goal so far...looks like he came to the wrong club....there r rumours that his old boss at bologna wants to reunite with him at his new club Juventus ...if true, all the best

[ChrisSutton]

Ipswich v Man United

Sutton's prediction: 1-1

[JonesKnows]

Ipswich v Man United

SCORE PREDICTION: 0-0

[Johnbass]

Saw Amorim’s press conference.
He sounds knowledgeable.
Look forward to see him get the team to play his 3-4-3 system.

[lacoruna69]

The reason why this guy is getting negative comments is becos of his body language while playing on the pitch during those few chances he was given to play....

He got that "ai mai ai mai" mentality too.
He was also "slow" as I observed, I'm delighted that Paolo Di Canio also had the same thinking.
Means that I am not being too critical.

I believed Amorim wants high work rate players. (which manager doesn't want??)
If McTom is still around, he will be top pick. Anyway, he is now Conte's pet at Napoli.
Seriously, Amorim should get rid of all the players who displayed the "ai mai ai mai" mentailty.
Sell off and use the money to get the players he wants.
He already kicked RvN and 3 coaches out and brought in his own team from SCP.
Kicking out deadwood players should be his next move.

[asiancigar]

Ipswich 0 - 2 United

I think new coach Amorin will whip the boys into shape !!!!!

[Rickey]

He got that "ai mai ai mai" mentality too.
Seriously, Amorim should get rid of all the players who displayed the "ai mai ai mai" mentailty.
Sell off and use the money to get the players he wants.
He already kicked RvN and 3 coaches out and brought in his own team from SCP.
Kicking out deadwood players should be his next move.

Ipswich 0 - 2 United

I think new coach Amorin will whip the boys into shape !!!!!


Whip also no use...like a car with a 20 horse-power engine...u can press the accelarator pedal to the max also no use...it can't run as fast as a 30 horse-power car

The only solution is to get rid of those slow coaches deadwoods, those ai mai ai mai type in January next year n bring in new, younger n faster runners or players that can attack n defend fast like Gyokeres to replace them...then Amorim can hv a squad that can win titles n trophies like during SAF time...it's actually as simple as that...bring Amorim's sporting Lisbon team all over n u will sure guarantee they win the epl title this year

[ilovepantyhose]

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as amorim didn't get much time to work with the entire squad due to international fixtures, think the top priorities for the team are to maintain its shape and recover quickly to defensive posns when vs ipswich, likely a draw but happy to take a win

evans to be CDC as he had more training under amorim and can use his experience to command the defence. mazraoui at RWB to ping in crosses; this could be the breakout season for the left footed amass at LWB to provide width down the left. ugarte played under amorim before so he shld slot in seamlessly, casemiro to partner as he also had more training. no places for rashford garnacho for now as i think amorim will select players who will help defend, they can be impact subs though when man u need to chase a result

its reported that amorim won't have funds to dip into the mkt, i think it can end up in a good way because he has to look to the academy players and involve them in the 1st team. who knows, man u may even get a class of 25 or 26 like the class of 92 :p

[Marmots]

RA appears to have somethings ETH was severely lacking, man management, motivational skills and charisma.
If he can get the players believing again, wanting to prove themselves again, we may yet have a season to watch.
He must get them knowing playing for Manchester United is a privilege, not a right.

I think vs Ipswich will be a rout, players will want to prove themselves and turn on 110%.
The players know if they don't, getting dumped out of Man Utd squad could end up being career ending, a la Antony Martial.

But for players like Rashford who still has years to run on his fat contract, do not know if he can be motivated.
It seems Rashford is done, he behaves as if he has nothing to prove and that he can't score is due to other players can't supply him.
I hope I am wrong.
I want Rashford to be good for several reasons, first, he is made in Man Utd, 2nd, he's an English player, don't want Man Utd first team to have no English players.
3rd, with his huge wage, if he can't perform, and can't be sold, then is just a huge liability.

It will be interesting to see how RA lines up his squad, and see if Yoro will feature.
I think Lisandro is injured and was left out of international duty.

SG pools odds for Man Utd win is 1.45, and at -1.5 is 2.3.
I am considering doing a small bet of -1.5 as support......thinking....thinking.....

Ipswich vs Man Utd

0-4

[Rickey]

Just watched the 1st half of the Liverpool/Southampton game n the GK n defenders of Southampton still die, die want to play out of the back when there were so many enemy attackers mixed with them around their penalty box...so the GK gave away a easy goal to the Liverpool attackers when he was fooling around with his defenders kicking the ball to each other n one of them kicked wrongly to the opposition attackers n that attacker thanked them n kick the ball back straight past the GK into his net...why these managers n GKs never learn their lesson, so stubborn, die die like to dangerously play out from the back n gift the opposition teams with easy goals

[Tai_zi21]

Based on previous record new manager first game all players wan go perform and put in 100%

3-0 to Manchester United easy win for them

[lacoruna69]

Ipswich 0 - 1 Man U

Playing Amad as RWB is masterstroke, his surging run down the right to cross for Rashford to open score.
Time : 1.21 min!!

[asiancigar]

Wah United scores inside 81secs …..

I think we might win with more than 3 goals !!!!

[lacoruna69]

HT : Ipswich 1 - 1 Man U

After scoring, the old United is back. Concede possession and can't seem to get back the ball. Too lazy? Lack of stamina ?

Ipswich keeps on attacking Dalot's side, knowing he is the weakest link.

Onana was alert and keep out a few, including that incredible one handed save keeping out Delap close range strike.

But he couldn't stop the fantastic curler from Hutchinson. Aided by a deflection off the head of Mazraoui.

[lacoruna69]

FT : Ipswich 1 - 1 Man U

I kind of doze off in the 2nd half.....lol.

Where's the exciting football???

Think Amorim already felt the heaviness of his task.

No opening victory for the new manager.

Tough days ahead!

[lacoruna69]

as amorim didn't get much time to work with the entire squad due to international fixtures, think the top priorities for the team are to maintain its shape and recover quickly to defensive posns when vs ipswich, likely a draw but happy to take a win



You got it right !!

Ipswich is not a strong team. They only get their first win before the international break. They are still in relegation zone.

Like that, the pussies also cannot win.

[Tai_zi21]

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…


First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL

[Rickey]

You got it right !!

Ipswich is not a strong team. They only get their first win before the international break. They are still in relegation zone.

Like that, the pussies also cannot win.

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…


First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL
No hope liao ...Amorim is OGS n ETH 2.0 ...they can't even win a game with all these useless players ...all the hype abt how good the new manager is ...give them Pep or Slot or klopp this group of useless pussies also won't win n will go below mid table in the league standings as the other teams around them r much improved this season... AI supercomputers says they will end up 11th or 12th in the table by May next year...new manager bounce didn't work...in fact I think RVN is better than Amorim or maybe the pussies don't like Amorim n prefer RVN as their leader...

Amorim is making the same mistakes as ETH in selecting the wrong players in his starting XI...where is Ugarte who did very well in the match against Leicester under RVN ??....if Amorim don't get rid of these clueless pussies n deadwood n replace them with his sporting players he will also end up being sacked like all those managers b4 him...sack Dalot in particular...he can try his best to train them no use...as I said, u can't expect a 2.0 litre car to go as fast as a 3.0 litre car or u cannot teach old dogs new tricks

[asiancigar]

The only solution is to get rid of those slow coaches deadwoods, those ai mai ai mai type in January next year n bring in new, younger n faster runners or players that can attack n defend fast like Gyokeres to replace them...then Amorim can hv a squad that can win titles n trophies like during SAF time...it's actually as simple as that...bring Amorim's sporting Lisbon team all over n u will sure guarantee they win the epl title this year

I totally agree with all of above, them deadwoods are totally useless. We need new blood, new energy and a complete overhaul !!!!

[Johnbass]

Another poor performance by Fernandes.
Too many dead weight in the team.
Hope to see new blood in Jan transfer window.

[lacoruna69]

...in fact I think RVN is better than Amorim or maybe the pussies don't like Amorim n prefer RVN as their leader...

...sack Dalot in particular...he can try his best to train them no use...as I said, u can't expect a 2.0 litre car to go as fast as a 3.0 litre car or u cannot teach old dogs new tricks

Yes, bring back RvN. 150 goals in 219 matches. A record unmatched.
I suspect the players give respect to RvN.
But...Amorim?? Who the fark is this guy?
I bet when RvN is scoring goals for Man U, Amorim is still a boy playing with his little bird.

Another poor performance by Fernandes.
Too many dead weight in the team.
Hope to see new blood in Jan transfer window.

Totally invisible again....didn't know Bruno was playing.
I bet the forwards are lost going forward.
Rashford too...after scoring the opening goal, he also goes missing.

But I want to highlight the CB kia, Dalot.
Again he gives wide space for Burns to exploit.
That's how the eqauliser comes about and many of Ipswich threats.
Seriously, Im astonish how much space Burns was given.
Like walking into NTUC to buy some apples.
Not once, not twice, but many times.
Partly also Ipswuch knows he is the weakest link to exploit.
In fact, all the other EPL clubs knows this.

Useless Captain, and free wandering in the woods Portuguese.

Is it because they same nationality, so give special treatment???

This picture sums it up. Can Amorim do it?
https://imgur.com/9UGGpxD,jpg

[Rickey]

Another poor performance by Fernandes.
Too many dead weight in the team.
Hope to see new blood in Jan transfer window.
If u look at the video footage of them celebrating Rustford goal ...u will see that Bruno looks as if he just woke up from sleep ...totally different from those 4 matches they played under RVN...seems like they prefer RVN than Amorim...INEOS made a big mistake ...they shd let RVN be caretaker manager n see his performance 1st...if he can't win any of those 4 matches then approach Amorim

[lacoruna69]

If u look at the video footage of them celebrating Rustford goal ...u will see that Bruno looks as if he just woke up from sleep ...totally different from those 4 matches they played under RVN...seems like they prefer RVN than Amorim...INEOS made a big mistake ...they shd let RVN be caretaker manager n see his performance 1st...if he can't win any of those 4 matches then approach Amorim

Because he know he got a boss who is same nationality.
So he knows he will confirm start and also keeps his Captain armband.
Same goes for his compatriot.

SJR sees RvN no up mah. Also because he was recruited by botak, who is Dutch. So if keep him long term, he will gives other problems.

Amorim was chosen because of his rapid results as shown with SCP.
年轻天才教练 tag.
So first match against relegation team, cannot win and could have lost if not for Onana. I knew Ipswich will score at some point of time.
(On another note, Onana probably is the best player for the pussies against Ipswich, my opinion)
The club also pays release clause for early release of Amorim.

So, the old problems still come back to haunt him.

It is the way the pussies just switch off and let the opponents dictate the play that worries me.
Every ball they lose, they never try to get back the ball and contented to let them come forward.
Dalot again....leaves big space for other teams to exploit.
Same old problems that needs to be fixed.

Probably the good thing is Amorim started Amad...but then, Amad got to show his talent already under RvN.

Same say the players are trying to get used to a different formation.
Also true.

Need to give some time to Amorim and his team.

[Rickey]

Because he know he got a boss who is same nationality.
So he knows he will confirm start and also keeps his Captain armband.
Same goes for his compatriot.

SJR sees RvN no up mah. Also because he was recruited by botak, who is Dutch. So if keep him long term, he will gives other problems.

Amorim was chosen because of his rapid results as shown with SCP.
年轻天才教练 tag.
So first match against relegation team, cannot win and could have lost if not for Onana. I knew Ipswich will score at some point of time.
(On another note, Onana probably is the best player for the pussies against Ipswich, my opinion)
The club also pays release clause for early release of Amorim.

So, the old problems still come back to haunt him.

It is the way the pussies just switch off and let the opponents dictate the play that worries me.
Every ball they lose, they never try to get back the ball and contented to let them come forward.
Dalot again....leaves big space for other teams to exploit.
Same old problems that needs to be fixed.

Probably the good thing is Amorim started Amad...but then, Amad got to show his talent already under RvN.

Same say the players are trying to get used to a different formation.
Also true.

Need to give some time to Amorim and his team.
Yalor, favouritism again like the baldy always playing Antony ahead of Amad etc, etc...no, tats not wat I mean by INEOS keeping Dutch RVN at the club tgt with Portuguese Amorim....one chicken one duck....maybe SJR n INEOS r so fed up with the botak n this dutch group of pple

Portuguese league is vastly different from the premier league just like the Dutch league is a world of a difference with the EPL...doesn't mean that if u win titles n trophies there u will surely do the same in the EPL which is very much competitive ..the hierarchy doesn't seem to learn from the ETH experience..another thing is many of the epl players r very lazy n play the way they like themselves ai mai ai mai n not for the badge prolly knowing the club can't do anything to them like the way they sack their manager

yes, same old problem as b4...u r right for the red pussies nothing really changed except they hv a new manager....that's why I say Amorim could be ETH V2 if he continues to play with this group of lazy n timid players till the end of season....they will throw him under the bus also ...Amorim must get rid of the deadwoods in January n bring in better players if he wants to win titles n trophies in epl....but the problem is the management got no more money to buy new players in January unless they sell 1 or 2 of the existing ones likely Case or Erikssen

sorry, there is no such thing as patience for football managers..lose or draw many games consecutively, n the club hierarchies will fire their manager...cannot wait until end of season when they r relegated to Div 2 just like Steve Cooper of Leicester is the 2nd victim of the sack race....next to be sacked will be J Lopetegui of West Ham...he is also asking for time till end of season to prove himself...by that time, may be too late...the club would hv been relegated

[ilovepantyhose]

But I want to highlight the CB kia, Dalot.


as alot of players had intn'l duties, amorim don't have many days to work with them, so gotta cut them alot of slack. can see what amorim was trying to do with his formation and tactics, the players will also need time to learn the new system... need how much time? i think at least 3-4 months, so basically this season is a write off liao :o i really hope the squad can adjust their mindset to be receptive of amorim system, dun wanna see the same drama every 2 yrs :rolleyes:

that being said, lets go back to last night's match, here are some thoughts:

- really quick off the blocks, direct runs and passes leading to rashford goal, but after they scored, they took the foot off the pedal and allowed ipswich back into the game, the same old mentality leftover from ETH era haiz what else is new?

- yes, dalot is the weakest link in defence, ipswich mainly attacked down his flank, incld the one which led to equaliser. as long as he starts, opponents will focus attacking his flank which will only increase the goal scoring chances. he cannot be a regular starter and can only deputise

- evans started at LDC and was drawn out of posn by hutchinson several times who was able to turn quickly, he looked uncomfy marking such an agile player, once drawn out of posn, the left flank is exposed and can be overloaded. he is more suited to play at CDC

- amorim started casemiro eriksen in midfield, as expected, ipswich was able to overrun as man u had no physical presence in the middle of the park. for amorim system to work, basically all the outfield players are to be box to box type, which means he cannot start the aging players, but this was the 1st match and amorim had ltd time to work with players, so bobian. those players over 30yo will likely play less as the season progresses

- in terms of attack, can only say the rashford goal is from amorim playbook, but after that, man u often reverted to ETH style, play out from back but either can't seem to find an open teammate or the attackers aren't making runs, then gotta pass sideways or backwards, invite ipswich press, then the wingbacks backtrack to provide passing outlet. there were some flashes of intricate play but fizzled out quickly. a huge task for amorim to eliminate all traces of ETH style and the poor mentality

- can see that amorim system is quite high tempo which require players to make runs into space and the ball to be passed quickly. garnacho was twice guilty of not releasing the ball fast enough for rashford to run onto, 2 potential chances gone because garnacho was too slow to release the ball, he can be frustrating at times because he is still young and inconsistent

- rashford started well with a goal, but after his pressing and runs didn't bear fruit, he just gave up and jogged/walked, and he still has the tendency to drift wide rather than operate centrally; garnacho supposed to be inside left, but he continue to stay out wide on the left, he is young and still has time to learn/train a new posn; verdict: rashford in-game attitude and lack of defensive work is a problem, maybe the time has come to move him on. garnacho can still be in the squad as long as he is willing to learn, but can he suppress his instinct to go wide left though? :p

- when w/o the ball, man u still lacks bite in every dept before ugarte sub in, and currently martinez is injured, malacia not ready to return yet. i think currently the available players will run around like headless chickens pressing ineffectively... something has to give? simplest reason is they are unable to press as a unit and assume that opponent will unforced error with the ball every time... wake up bloody idea lah dey... train together for how long already still no understanding? also any player in the mold of keane among the academy youngsters? since no money for amorim to spend in the mkt, can promote those youngsters with bite to the 1st team

- how to deploy fernandes? when under ETH, sometimes fernandes was so high up the pitch and the buildup play was disjointed because there was nobody in midfield to link defence and attack. same thing occurred last night as man u had trouble playing out agnst the ipswich press. under amorim system of 3-4-2-1, maybe fernandes can partner ugarte in midfield vs bodo, or if amorim is willing to tweak to 3-4-1-2, fernandes can still be no.10

- same thing for zirkzee, his performance as a 9-1/2 hasn't gone well so far as understanding w teammates still way off, i think a possible way is for him to learn to play with back to goal like the traditional SC, he has the frame and technique for it. maybe he also can operate as the inside forward, to play off the SC. for sure must be less languid and react faster

- amorim got to see firsthand how aggressive the eng pressing game is, does he still want to play out from the back every game? will he become another ETH? i still think the best way is to go direct, GK straight to SC

- next match is UEL at home vs bodo, with several defenders still out, shaw and mazraoui will play on either side of de ligt, amad RWB, dalot LWB, ugarte to partner fernandes in midfield, hojlund rashford garnacho as the front 3, likely another draw as the squad still learning amorim system

[lacoruna69]

as alot of players had intn'l duties, amorim don't have many days to work with them, so gotta cut them alot of slack. can see what amorim was trying to do with his formation and tactics, the players will also need time to learn the new system... need how much time? i think at least 3-4 months, so basically this season is a write off liao :o i really hope the squad can adjust their mindset to be receptive of amorim system, dun wanna see the same drama every 2 yrs :rolleyes:



Thanks again for the detail analysis. Great observations as usual!

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh....by the end March, if they are still mid table (currently Posn 12), I'm not sure whether SJR will be happy with that.
But seriously, as professionals, aren't them by nature receptive to changing formations? Not asking them this match play forwards, next match play as defender mah.
Then how they adapt playing for countries?
I'm quite sure the national coach can't cater to specific position requests.
It is either you play or don't play.
And I do see other EPL teams deploy different formations and playing styles when facing different teams.
Why can't the pussies do that? They are not schoolboys, btw.
I seriously think is a big case of want or don't want to play. Ai mai ai mai attitude.

Agree with your analysis on the players.
But I seriously think it is gone case for Zirkzee. He is a bad buy and clearly couldn't adapt to the fast paced EPL. I don't see him putting any effort whenever he comes on. He just wants to play his own style.
As for your theory on supplying crosses, I still feel as a true marksman hot shooter, he should be very aware of where the ball is and seize the opportunity to draw first blood when that chance arrived.
Not wait for sublime crosses to come in everytime and start blaming everyone when they never supply.
McTominay bang in 10 last season and he was deployed as a DMC.
He is very aware of where to position himself so he will be there when the ball comes in. "Ball sense" or predatory instinct.
Very sad that McTom is not here anymore and now he is thriving in Serie A.
Tragic that the pussies do not have this kind of striker now.
No, Hojlund is not there yet. Maybe he will never be.
Look at Harry Kane, can shoot from anywhere and is perfect fit from the word go once joining Bayern.
Even can assist teammates. I'm pretty sure his other teammates don't rely on him to get goals. But his "ball sense" is high. Always know where the ball is going to be.

[Marmots]

I expected too much too fast, the malaise from ETH era could not be erased that quickly.

How will RA adapt his style to the squad, will he have any compromise eg from 3-4-3 into 3-5-1-1 ?
Case and Erik can't cut it in midfield due to the hard running required, 1 more in midfield can help lighten the load.

Onana saved our asses, splendid saves he did. Too bad our weak strikes on goal did not test opposition gk.

The players need more composure when in good positions, dalot and Garnacho's effort was rushed and weak. If they could have held on 2 or 3 seconds more and waited for team mates to come in, could have had a better chance.

Amad has performed really well recently, definitely need to work on his contract which is till 2026 +1.
And fix Mainoo contract as well. Longer it takes, going to have to pay them more eventually.

With the switch to 3 central defenders, feel that we need at least 1 more incoming, whether from transfer or academy/youth.
Maybe the most pressing from my pov.

It is said that PSG is looking at Rashford, and if he still can't cut it by the time Jan transfer window comes, maybe time to cut our losses if PSG do come calling.
And maybe reduce Antony fee to £20m.

At the same time, I remain conflicted, do want them to work out.

How many people remember our very own Anti Goal ?
He sucked so bad until Dwight Yorke came onboard and they formed such a prolific partnership.

Need the players to start forming understanding, connections and partnerships, knowing where each other are.

News is in that Leicester wants RvN as first choice manager.
All the best to RvN wherever he goes.

[Rickey]

Thanks again for the detail analysis. Great observations as usual!

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh....by the end March, if they are still mid table (currently Posn 12), I'm not sure whether SJR will be happy with that.
But seriously, as professionals, aren't them by nature receptive to changing formations? Not asking them this match play forwards, next match play as defender mah.
Then how they adapt playing for countries?
I'm quite sure the national coach can't cater to specific position requests.
It is either you play or don't play.
And I do see other EPL teams deploy different formations and playing styles when facing different teams.
Why can't the pussies do that? They are not schoolboys, btw.
I seriously think is a big case of want or don't want to play. Ai mai ai mai attitude.

Agree with your analysis on the players.
But I seriously think it is gone case for Zirkzee. He is a bad buy and clearly couldn't adapt to the fast paced EPL. I don't see him putting any effort whenever he comes on. He just wants to play his own style.
As for your theory on supplying crosses, I still feel as a true marksman hot shooter, he should be very aware of where the ball is and seize the opportunity to draw first blood when that chance arrived.
Not wait for sublime crosses to come in everytime and start blaming everyone when they never supply.
McTominay bang in 10 last season and he was deployed as a DMC.
He is very aware of where to position himself so he will be there when the ball comes in. "Ball sense" or predatory instinct.
Very sad that McTom is not here anymore and now he is thriving in Serie A.
Tragic that the pussies do not have this kind of striker now.
No, Hojlund is not there yet. Maybe he will never be.
Look at Harry Kane, can shoot from anywhere and is perfect fit from the word go once joining Bayern.
Even can assist teammates. I'm pretty sure his other teammates don't rely on him to get goals. But his "ball sense" is high. Always know where the ball is going to be.
Share the same sentiment as u....Amorim better quickly learn who are his best XI to suit his style of play...time is not on his side...cannot follow the footsteps of baldy always tickam tickam n end up losing or drawing matches...had it not for Onana heroics, he would hv lost the match against Ipswich sunday night becos he was trying out his players one by one...he is already 1 week in the club n yet by the selection of his staring XI, it shows he hardly know anything about anyone of them

[lacoruna69]

...had it not for Onana heroics, he would hv lost the match against Ipswich sunday night becos he was trying out his players one by one...he is already 1 week in the club n yet by the selection of his staring XI, it shows he hardly know anything about anyone of them

Yes, can argue that most first choice players are on international duty.

That's why RvN thought he got a chance to be retained. To impart what he knows.
But he was asked to leave along w 3 coaches immediately. Like corporate retrenchment.

Fair and square, Amorim brings along his own team too.

But you are right, looking at the starting XI, performance and substitutions against Ipswich. He clearly looks ill-prepared.
He and his team never do homework before flying over??
No excuses on this one. Can't beat a relegation team.

SJR and fans are starting to lose patience.
Amorim and team needs to prove their worth in the next 3-4 matches.
Not 3-4 months.

[lacoruna69]

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…

First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL

You missed out the Europa League.

Their next game is against Bodo/Glimt at OT, anything less than a win just means Amorim and his team are just a load of hot air.

[Rickey]

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…

First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL


You missed out the Europa League.

Their next game is against Bodo/Glimt at OT, anything less than a win just means Amorim and his team are just a load of hot air.
He already warning all of u not to expect miracles from him...he says there will be a long period of suffering...but being such a renowned coach winning titles n trophies for the last 4 years at Sporting, does he really need that long time to know his new players n turn the club around ??...if he can't INEOS shd call RVN back...I m sure RVN can bring them back to top 8 at least if not higher

[ilovepantyhose]

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh

....

when SJR was bringing in the football executives, he pleaded for patience with the fans. i think SJR & co is mentally prepared that man u will finish in the bottom half this season when they decided to go for amorim. i think from now till july 25, amorim has enough time to get his ideas across, but whether the squad is receptive is another qn liao. it makes no footballing and financial sense for SJR to let amorim go by march, the payout will be in the millions, SJR will be no different from the glazers who changed managers every 2 yrs

i believe adapting to formations and playing for country boils down to the defensive posn training and drills, should be pretty intensive? because a defender in a back4 has to cover a bigger area than in a back3, so will do some refresher theory lessons and then intensive training (will need a ex-pro footballer bro to share his exp here :p)

the aimai attitude and underperformance are problems for man u, i will want man u to do a clear out: sell lindelof, dalot, shaw, mount*, casemiro, eriksen, rashford, antony (*mount has bite but too injury prone); and promote academy youngsters to 1st team, results will suffer short term but long term there will be a solid core of players with telepathic understanding, desire and ambition

ya agree, after seeing zirkzee performance, i think he is similar to amrabat, in the sense that both struggle to keep up with the intensity and tempo of PL. dunno if man u will take the loss and sell zirkzee? if he stays, amorim gotta develop him, perhaps to an inside forward to sppt hojlund, or a ball carrier MC who can add physical presence in midfield (mainoo can dribble but will be outmuscled)

when the pro footballers were still budding youngsters, the youth coaches would have determined who is suitable for which posn, so hojlund/zirkzee must have demonstrated enough ability/instinct for the coaches to train them up as strikers. perhaps a step up straight into PL action from serie A was too much for them, in hindsight, would it be better if they were initially loaned out to low div clubs to have experience facing eng style defenders to aid their development like amad did? hojlund zirkzee are facing the toughest defenders the PL has to offer, its like a level1 character fighting a level10 boss, sure die, levelling up takes time but sadly modern football want instant results

no lah, harry kane is the finished article liao, hojlund zirkzee aren't, as a fan i hope that they can develop into top strikers

as for supply/crossing, i would say the crosser plays a big part. iirc there were reports on beckham staying back after training sessions to improve his passing, crossing and set pieces. the end result? long accurate passes, top quality crosses and deadly free kicks on the pitch. he won't be able to do that on the pitch if he didn't put in countless hours of practice at carrington. i think the best crossers in the squad are fernandes/eriksen, but they are nowhere near beckham level for sure. as for the players, need to put in how many hours of practice to level up? are they willing to?

[lacoruna69]

...but being such a renowned coach winning titles n trophies for the last 4 years at Sporting, does he really need that long time to know his new players n turn the club around ??...if he can't INEOS shd call RVN back...I m sure RVN can bring them back to top 8 at least if not higher

RvN at Man U offer to retain as Assistant under Amorim also kick out.
Even stayed back, most is interim manager, if SJR not hire Amorim.
But Leicester will offer him manager title.
Which post will you choose??

when SJR was bringing in the football executives, he pleaded for patience with the fans. i think SJR & co is mentally prepared that man u will finish in the bottom half this season when they decided to go for amorim. i think from now till july 25, amorim has enough time to get his ideas across, but whether the squad is receptive is another qn liao. it makes no footballing and financial sense for SJR to let amorim go by march, the payout will be in the millions, SJR will be no different from the glazers who changed managers every 2 yrs



I guess SJR chose Amorim mostly is due to his achievement in turning Sporting into title winning side in just his second season.
First season he helped SCP to 4th placed finish. Winning 6 and drew 3 in the remaining games after taking over in March.
Impressive record.
So, SJR do expect certain results to be delivered. I think.
Ending at the bottom half of the table will not go down well with the fans.
This is worst than botak.
I'm not sure Amorim will want to stick to 3-4-3 if it means players having to readjust and results suffered as a result.
RvN maintained the original formation and have 3 wins and 1 draw.
Some serious thinking for Amorim.

Got reports indicating RvN is closing in on the Leicester job.
Will be fun seeing Leicester beating Man U at the King Power Stadium. :D

[Rickey]

I expected too much too fast, the malaise from ETH era could not be erased that quickly

Sadly there isn't any new manager bounce as is expected when a new manager cums in ...the only solution n chance of success for Amorim is to get rid of all the deadwoods asap...everyone following their matches n they themselves know who they are

[Rickey]

RvN at Man U offer to retain as Assistant under Amorim also kick out.
Even stayed back, most is interim manager, if SJR not hire Amorim.
But Leicester will offer him manager title.
Which post will you choose??



I guess SJR chose Amorim mostly is due to his achievement in turning Sporting into title winning side in just his second season.
First season he helped SCP to 4th placed finish. Winning 6 and drew 3 in the remaining games after taking over in March.
Impressive record.
So, SJR do expect certain results to be delivered. I think.
Ending at the bottom half of the table will not go down well with the fans.
This is worst than botak.
I'm not sure Amorim will want to stick to 3-4-3 if it means players having to readjust and results suffered as a result.
RvN maintained the original formation and have 3 wins and 1 draw.
Some serious thinking for Amorim.

Got reports indicating RvN is closing in on the Leicester job.
Will be fun seeing Leicester beating Man U at the King Power Stadium. :D
I concur with yr views lacoruna ...

(1) Of course choose the higher level job...but even RVN was willing to be an Asst Manager under Amorim, they also don't want....too bad, so now Amorim will hv a hard n long time to discover the true worth of each one of them by himself

(2) If Amorim is going to be given a few months not a few matches to discover each n everyone of his players then the club is doomed to be relegated to Div 2...sure this is not wat SJR n INEOS wants or willing to accept...the reason why they sack the baldy was the fear that he will lead the club to relegation if they do not sack him now...this for one thing will cause the club a lot of financial losses from participation in the Champions or Europa league amongst many other adverse effects to the club...

pity Amorim he prolly didn't expect this job to be as tough as this, managing this group of average players...the only best solution now is for him to get much better players in this January transfer window in exchange to offload all the deadwoods asap since they don't hv much money to spend for now...in the meantime hope he don't lose or draw the matches (means win majority of the matches) from now to then with these deadwoods still playing on the field

[Rickey]

RvN at Man U offer to retain as Assistant under Amorim also kick out.
Even stayed back, most is interim manager, if SJR not hire Amorim.
But Leicester will offer him manager title.

Got reports indicating RvN is closing in on the Leicester job.
Will be fun seeing Leicester beating Man U at the King Power Stadium. :D
Can't imagine RVN returning as manager of Leicester City n thrashing them 3-0 back ...if it happens that will be terrible n a smack in the face for the management...that will be sweet revenge for RVN n his new team

[lacoruna69]

i believe adapting to formations and playing for country boils down to the defensive posn training and drills, should be pretty intensive? because a defender in a back4 has to cover a bigger area than in a back3, so will do some refresher theory lessons and then intensive training (will need a ex-pro footballer bro to share his exp here :p)



Here all couch potatoes and arm chair critics.....:D

[ilovepantyhose]

So, SJR do expect certain results to be delivered. I think.
Ending at the bottom half of the table will not go down well with the fans.
This is worst than botak.
I'm not sure Amorim will want to stick to 3-4-3 if it means players having to readjust and results suffered as a result.


yes no doubt SJR want results, it won't happen overnight though. amorim system is like a revolution: cos no more playing back4, wingers dun go wide, wingbacks provide the width instead. i think the goodwill of SJR will last until 25/26 season end, cos they have to see if amorim system can work in PL or not. if SJR provides funds now for amorim to bring in the players he want, and his system fail, man u is stuck with unsuitable players yet again. the way i see it, SJR is shrewd not to give funds yet and see if amorim can mold the current players to his system, if can, then SJR will provide funds to let amorim spend after the probation period

the next critical issue is whether the players are receptive to amorim system or not. like what u said of the aimai attitude, who will come out on top - amorim or player power? what will happen to the players who aren't receptive? will amorim have the full backing of SJR and the football execs to execute his vision? tough decisions to make as they cost the club millions

[Rickey]

yes no doubt SJR want results, it won't happen overnight though. amorim system is like a revolution: cos no more playing back4, wingers dun go wide, wingbacks provide the width instead. i think the goodwill of SJR will last until 25/26 season end, cos they have to see if amorim system can work in PL or not. if SJR provides funds now for amorim to bring in the players he want, and his system fail, man u is stuck with unsuitable players yet again. the way i see it, SJR is shrewd not to give funds yet and see if amorim can mold the current players to his system, if can, then SJR will provide funds to let amorim spend after the probation period

the next critical issue is whether the players are receptive to amorim system or not. like what u said of the aimai attitude, who will come out on top - amorim or player power? what will happen to the players who aren't receptive? will amorim have the full backing of SJR and the football execs to execute his vision? tough decisions to make as they cost the club millions
SJR has no choice even if he wanted to give Amorim as much time as he needed just like they had been very patient with botak all this while...by right botak shd hv been sacked long time ago but they continue to give him as much time as they could until they couldn't tahan him anymore always drawing or losing his games...

if he continues to give Amorim as much chances as they gave botak then this club will surely be relegated by May next year tgt with Southampton n maybe Leicester, if he can't win any match at all but keep on losing or drawing them like botak did..SJR cannot afford to write off this season as they would be relegated to Div 2 losing all the financial benefits of being a premier league team....n this will definitely be the result if Amorim continue to draw or lose every game they play like botak did....if SJR wanted to write off this season he might as well keep botak until May b4 replacing him with Amorim...less hassle n cheaper too for him

[lacoruna69]

if SJR provides funds now for amorim to bring in the players he want,

But even if SJR got the moolah, any transaction will also be under the Financial Regulation commitee.
I think in order to buy, Man U need to sell first.

SJR cannot afford to write off this season as they would be relegated to Div 2 losing all the financial benefits of being a premier league team....

SJR is a shrewd businessman.
He already voiced his displeasure on Man U failure to qualify for UCL, thereby missing out on a big chunk of revenue.
I think very likely his target for Amorim is to finish top half of the table this season and at least maintain qualification of Europa next season.
This season win a Cup. Best would be Europa.
Next season, fight to qualify for UCL.
To be frank, I don't think he gives a fark about Amorim needing time to bullt up his 3-4-3 formation and playing style.
This is the target he set for Amorim and Amorim will need to work on it.
Is as simple as that.

SJR (in rage mode) to Amorim: "Why are you talking to me about 3-4-3 , 4-3-3....??!! I'm not interested what method you use, I want you and your team to get us into the UCL by the 2nd season! We have excellent players at your disposal, you mean you cannot fixed them??!!
Then I pay you top dollars for fark??
You want me to kick you back to Portugal??
Or you want a taste of my cigar....just like the bald guy before you...."

Amorim (trembling with fear) : "Ok Boss, I will work on it. No, I have no intention to taste your cigar...." :p

[Rickey]

SJR is a shrewd businessman.
He already voiced his displeasure on Man U failure to qualify for UCL, thereby missing out on a big chunk of revenue.
I think very likely his target for Amorim is to finish top half of the table this season and at least maintain qualification of Europa next season.
This season win a Cup. Best would be Europa.
Next season, fight to qualify for UCL.
To be frank, I don't think he gives a fark about Amorim needing time to bullt up his 3-4-3 formation and playing style.
This is the target he set for Amorim and Amorim will need to work on it.
Is as simple as that.

SJR (in rage mode) to Amorim: "Why are you talking to me about 3-4-3 , 4-3-3....??!! I'm not interested what method you use, I want you and your team to get us into the UCL by the 2nd season! We have excellent players at your disposal, you mean you cannot fixed them??!!
Then I pay you top dollars for fark??
You want me to kick you back to Portugal??
Or you want a taste of my cigar....just like the bald guy before you...."

Amorim (trembling with fear) : "Ok Boss, I will work on it. No, I have no intention to taste your cigar...." :p

So hilarious lacoruna yr fake conversation between SJR n Amorim :):D...agree with wat u said...another easier way back to the European cups is by winning the FA Cup like wat botak did last season

[Rickey]

No way u can expect RA to win cups n trophies with this bunch of lazy or average players ..but the irony is they can win 4 matches under RVN on the trot scoring so many goals :eek: ...so that goes to show who they like to play for not whether they r lazy or average players...tiok boh ??

[ilovepantyhose]

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UEL at home vs bodo, amorim should be able to name a strong lineup as more players return from injury. we might be able to see mazraoui shaw as wingbacks on their natural flanks, ugarte mainoo to power the engine in midfield, amad at inside right fw as he continues to impress and amorim might experiment with zirkzee at inside left fw, garnacho rashford to be impact subs

as the squad continues to learn amorim system, likely another draw despite home ground advantage or a slim win

[lacoruna69]

No way u can expect RA to win cups n trophies with this bunch of lazy or average players ..but the irony is they can win 4 matches under RVN on the trot scoring so many goals :eek: ...so that goes to show who they like to play for not whether they r lazy or average players...tiok boh ??

RvN prolific goal scoring exploits is for all to see in his 5 seasons with the Red Devils. 150 goals in 219 matches. A record hard to match.
Amorim is just a nobody who has yet to prove himself.
OGS also same. His interim stint also yield many wins bacause who could have forgotten that 1999 UCL Final night in Barcelona?
The super sub "baby assassin"....
Who is Amorim?? He is just 14 years old when OGS bang in the winner.

SJR had made a mistake in underestimating RvN's influence on the players.
He see RvN no up so he get Amorim onboard asap by paying early release fee.
He could have let RvN continue a bit more before deciding.
Anyway, what's done is done.
I really have doubts about Amorim (and his bunch of clowns) after seeing the Ipswich game.
Good Luck to him!

[lacoruna69]

UEL at home vs bodo, amorim should be able to name a strong lineup as more players return from injury. we might be able to see mazraoui shaw as wingbacks on their natural flanks, ugarte mainoo to power the engine in midfield, amad at inside right fw as he continues to impress and amorim might experiment with zirkzee at inside left fw, garnacho rashford to be impact subs

as the squad continues to learn amorim system, likely another draw despite home ground advantage or a slim win

I highly doubt Amorim will drop Bruno as he is the Captain.

To be frank, anything less than a win, the fans will be very edgy.

Will be interesting to see whether Amorim will still stick to 3-4-3.

See you guys at 4am!

[lacoruna69]

28th min: Man U 1-2 Bodo

1st minute gift from Bodo GK, Garnacho easy tap in.

Then Bodo score 2 in 5 minutes....commentator says 3-4-3 wingback heavy responsibilty.

[lacoruna69]

HT: Man U 2 - 2 Bodo

Hojlund equalised on the stroke of HT. Superb dribbling by Mazraoui to send in the cross, Hojlund excellent first touch with his left foot, then smack in with right foot. Under close supervision by 2 Bodo players.

Onana

Mazraoui-De Ligt-Martinez

Antony-Ugarte-Bruno-Malacia

Mount-Hojlund-Garnacho

[lacoruna69]

FT: Man U 3 - 2 Bodo

Hojlund scores again!

Amorim got first win!

Onana makes some crucial saves to secure the victory.

[ChrisSutton]

Man United v Everton

Sutton's prediction: 1-1

[Rickey]

FT: Man U 3 - 2 Bodo

Hojlund scores again!

Amorim got first win!

Onana makes some crucial saves to secure the victory.
Nearly lost the game again but at least showed the fighting spirit to equalise n even win the match :)...RA again made mistake in his selection of his starting XI...shd not hv put in Antony n Malacia who contributed nothing good ..still don't know all his players yet n putting them in to try n see how good or bad they are...can do this by watching the video in which they played or in training mah... luckily they won...shd bin this guy Martinez as he don't seem to be able to defend anymore, heard he was responsible for both goals scored by Bodo...he doesn't seem to be the butcher of Amsterdam anymore

[Marmots]

I think Amorim's lineup is due to the challenges he faces, he does not even have 3 centre backs to play.
And then there's Everton to play on Sunday.

Having watched the highlights, I wonder if it was Rashford instead of Højlund, he would have chased down the ball and created the chance.

1st Bodø goal was a good one, 2nd Bodø goal was Malacia getting outrunned, and it blasted in between Onana's legs.

Højlund 1st goal had flashes of Cantona and RvN, control to volley, great goal.
His 2nd was just poacher instinct, too bad he could not react fast enough, or could have gotten a hat trick.

It is on the back of this performance, I think we maybe looking at a draw on Sunday.
Bodø is 2nd tier Europe team at best, and we grinded to a 3-2 win.

At least Luke is back, and if we can have another centre back return, we can have a decent back 3 instead of makeshift. And have Mazraoui and Shaw as wingbacks.

Højlund played the full 90 mins, may not get to play on Sunday.
I like him, he has good workrate. Need players like him, Amad and Mazraoui to create an onfield attitude.

I don't think we will have much to look forward to for Jan transfer window, too bad for Amorim.

Hopefully get a win against Everton, at the very least, do not lose.

[Johnbass]

Good game for Hojlund.
Malacia Is just as bad as Dalot.
Hope we find better players to cover left.

[Rickey]

I think Amorim's lineup is due to the challenges he faces, he does not even have 3 centre backs to play.
And then there's Everton to play on Sunday.

Having watched the highlights, I wonder if it was Rashford instead of Højlund, he would have chased down the ball and created the chance.

1st Bodø goal was a good one, 2nd Bodø goal was Malacia getting outrunned, and it blasted in between Onana's legs.

Højlund 1st goal had flashes of Cantona and RvN, control to volley, great goal.
His 2nd was just poacher instinct, too bad he could not react fast enough, or could have gotten a hat trick.

It is on the back of this performance, I think we maybe looking at a draw on Sunday.
Bodø is 2nd tier Europe team at best, and we grinded to a 3-2 win.

At least Luke is back, and if we can have another centre back return, we can have a decent back 3 instead of makeshift. And have Mazraoui and Shaw as wingbacks.

Højlund played the full 90 mins, may not get to play on Sunday.
I like him, he has good workrate. Need players like him, Amad and Mazraoui to create an onfield attitude.

I don't think we will have much to look forward to for Jan transfer window, too bad for Amorim.

Hopefully get a win against Everton, at the very least, do not lose.

Everton that good meh ??...they haven't scored a goal in their last few games but I believe red pussies can at least score 1 goal if not more if RA put in his best XI

[lacoruna69]

Højlund played the full 90 mins, may not get to play on Sunday.
I like him, he has good workrate. Need players like him, Amad and Mazraoui to create an onfield attitude.



Yes, Mazraoui was outstanding. That assist, sure didn't expect that.
This coming from where he is playing as CB.
Can see he was very fired up.

When he was introduced to the media, he was like a add-on with all the limelight on De Ligt. But he was the first to be thrown into the fray as wingback under Ten Hag.
Since then, he had cemented a place as wingback and a sure starter.
He is definitely a keeper.
Of course, two goal hero Hojlund starts to prove everyone wrong, me included. :p

[lacoruna69]

Everton that good meh ??...they haven't scored a goal in their last few games but I believe red pussies can at least score 1 goal if not more if RA put in his best XI

The pussies cannot even beat relegation Ipswich wor....
now every team cannot be underestimated.

Anyway, there seemed to be hope for 3-4-3 as I saw the pussies kept the pressure on Bodo at certain prolong periods of the match.
But I think stamina got the better of them, and they took the pedal off.

Btw, why De Ligt was sub out for Casemiro?

Casemiro commit handball on the edge of the box in the dying moments and if not for Onana, it would have been 3-3.

But good call to sub out Malacia at HT. Malacia was outruned by Zinckernagel to concede 2nd goal.
After "nuaing" for the entire last season, Malacia looks like not up to par. Better ship him out as Carrington is not nursing home.

His replacement, Dalot, fare no better. Twice do dangerous backpass. One led to Onana scrambling out and commit handball outside the box.
But luckily VAR rule the act as unintentional. So no red card.
(Sometimes really dunno how VAR function......)

[ilovepantyhose]

a comeback victory where the goals conceded were avoidable, here are some thoughts:

- in the second match running, man u scored a goal even earlier than rashford's at ipswich. hojlund did all the hard work pressing the GK and garnacho was able to kio the durian. could scoring early goals become a theme for man u?

- malacia returned to action after a long layoff. his rustiness showed as he saw alot of the ball on the left flank but his crosses were poor, and beaten for pace which led to bodo 2nd goal. will need more games to shake off all the rust

- antony put in a shift at RWB, worked hard to chase the ball back after losing it, but he is still one-dimensional playing on the right. will amorim experiment him at LWB with the sole attacking instruction of running down the left flank and putting in crosses? amad is better at attacking down the right flank

- amorim system fully utilised the flanks and the pace of the attackers, man u was more direct and penetrative, supply from the flanks benefited hojlund and he scored 2. good control and finish for 1st goal, and textbook SC goal supplied from the flank

- garnacho was overall disappointing despite scoring the 1st goal, his final product was often poor and the glaring miss in the 76' when setup by amad. also his tendency to stay out wide on the left could have forced amorim to compromise, where he instructed dalot to invert. its a matter of time the inverted wingback will backfire like the inverted fullback did under ETH, where dalot flank had swathes of space waiting to be exploited. better to use garnacho as impact sub until his final product is consistently good quality

- mazraoui is proving to be a bargain signing, solid defensively and able to contribute to offense. can't wait to see him at RWB putting in the crosses and cutbacks

- amorim can ill afford to rest ugarte, he is the engine in midfield, full of energy, running and pressing, doubt casemiro/eriksen can deputise for him properly. mount might be able to as he can run and press, but his defensive aspect and reading of the game isn't as good

- when i saw dalot coming on for malacia, i thought "jit pai siao liao", true enough, he gave the ball away cheaply on 2 occasions, the latter where onana had to make a desperate tackle in the 76'. this bloody joker is a defensive liability, amorim his best posn is on the bench! :mad:

- the high defensive line where the 3 DCs are not the fastest, something for amorim to think about as english teams will lob one over for the attacker to chase, bodo 2nd goal was scored this way

- amorim has stated publicly that rashford needs to improve, time may be running out for rashford at man u

- this sun at home vs everton, amorim will field a strong lineup with the aim to kill off the game asap and not concede easy goals, man u has slightly better form and with home ground advantage, it should be a win. if lose, the headlines will be "another false dawn"

[lacoruna69]

a comeback victory where the goals conceded were avoidable, here are some thoughts:

- when i saw dalot coming on for malacia, i thought "jit pai siao liao", true enough, he gave the ball away cheaply on 2 occasions, the latter where onana had to make a desperate tackle in the 76'. this bloody joker is a defensive liability, amorim his best posn is on the bench! :mad:



Thanks for the analysis!

Maybe should give chance to Amass.
But Dalot is Portuguese.....so naturally still got a place.:D

[lacoruna69]

Got reports indicating RvN is closing in on the Leicester job.
Will be fun seeing Leicester beating Man U at the King Power Stadium. :D

Confirmed deal!!

https://www.espn.com.sg/soccer/story/_/id/42646805/ruud-van-nistelrooy-appointed-leicester-city-manager

[JonesKnows]

Man United v Everton

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-1

[Rickey]

The pussies cannot even beat relegation Ipswich wor....
now every team cannot be underestimated.

Anyway, there seemed to be hope for 3-4-3 as I saw the pussies kept the pressure on Bodo at certain prolong periods of the match.
But I think stamina got the better of them, and they took the pedal off.

Btw, why De Ligt was sub out for Casemiro?

Casemiro commit handball on the edge of the box in the dying moments and if not for Onana, it would have been 3-3.

But good call to sub out Malacia at HT. Malacia was outruned by Zinckernagel to concede 2nd goal.
After "nuaing" for the entire last season, Malacia looks like not up to par. Better ship him out as Carrington is not nursing home.

His replacement, Dalot, fare no better. Twice do dangerous backpass. One led to Onana scrambling out and commit handball outside the box.
But luckily VAR rule the act as unintentional. So no red card.
(Sometimes really dunno how VAR function......)
Like that say MU n Amorim leow liao....no hope liao...he is like baldy V.2...they gotta find another new better manager to replace him soon ... can't even beat the bottom n relegation teams... their opposition team players always run faster than them n more energetic n hungry to score goals ..but RA did say there is no excuse for them not beating Everton another struggling team tomorrow night..

pussies lack stamina to last 100 minutes of play running fast up n down the pitch ...after 20 to 30 mins of play they panjek already....except for a handful of them this bunch of players r either lazy or bochap or they r just average players with little or no skill to play football ...everyone watching how they play knows who they are, tired of naming them again n again...the same shit...

must say again for RA not to suffer the same fate as baldy, he must shift all the deadwood out latest by January n replace them with better, younger, more energetic n more skillful players from other better teams...but the club can't do that as they hv to observe the PSR n FFP rules...it's as good as no hope for the club now

[Rickey]

Confirmed deal!!

https://www.espn.com.sg/soccer/story/_/id/42646805/ruud-van-nistelrooy-appointed-leicester-city-manager

Congrats RVN !...happy for him :)...hope he can succeed there with another group of power players who can sack managers n cum back to MU n show INEOS his power as a successful manager in epl n make them regret sacking him...make them beg him to cum back n take charge again

[Rickey]

Thanks for the analysis!

Maybe should give chance to Amass.
But Dalot is Portuguese.....so naturally still got a place.:D

If so, favouritism again which caused the downfall of OGS n baldy...still don't want to learn lessons from others b4 them

[Rickey]

Man United v Everton

SCORE PREDICTION: 1-1

Jialat liao :eek:.. Jones is usually correct in his prediction...carry on drawing or losing games will lead them to relegation rather than the top 8 .. give up on this club liao...with this current bunch of ai mai ai mai players with no hunger to win their games, no manager can save them not even the great Pep, Klopp or Slot

[Rickey]

Congrats RVN !...happy for him :)...hope he can succeed there with another group of power players who can sack managers n cum back to MU n show INEOS his power as a successful manager in epl n make them regret sacking him...make them beg him to cum back n take charge again

EPL players r very powerful n haolian...they r the ones actually sacking their managers not the management when they r not happy with their managers by laying down their tools n anyhow play... management shd hv a clause in each of their contract that if they purposely do not play well, they themselves can be sacked from the club anytime just like their managers n after that they hv to go n find a new club by themselves...that's the only way to solve this problem of PLAYER POWER n new manager bounce

[asiancigar]

Jialat liao :eek:.. Jones is usually correct in his prediction...carry on drawing or losing games will lead them to relegation rather than the top 8 .. give up on this club liao...with this current bunch of ai mai ai mai players with no hunger to win their games, no manager can save them not even the great Pep, Klopp or Slot

United 2 - 1 Everton if Banana don’t fk up again

[Rickey]

United 2 - 1 Everton if Banana don’t fk up again

But Jonesknow says draw leh n he is usually correct...lidat how ??...banana is not the only one to be blamed, many of the others r just useless, don't know how to create n score goals n defend against goals

[ilovepantyhose]

Maybe should give chance to Amass.


now that shaw malacia recovered from their injuries, dun think amorim will select amass unless injury curse strikes man u again, he rather select dalot than take risk with amass, its likely he feels that amass isn't ready for PL/EU games yet

770083

at home vs everton, amorim will select a strong lineup, may experiment zirkzee at inside left forward, fernandes to partner ugarte in midfield as mainoo isn't match fit. as fernandes is more of AMC than DMC, man u likely to concede but must score more to kill the game off. then amorim can sub off some starters to manage their fitness

[Johnbass]

“I think he plays better on the right, and we will manage to put him there – he’s a very good player.”
Amorim praising Dalot… GG liao
Right side is already crowded with good players.
:D

[lacoruna69]

Amorim praising Dalot… GG liao
Right side is already crowded with good players.
:D

Told you all liao.

Same nationality, so favoritism.
Every match, Dalot sure make mistakes. Very obvious, Amorim and his clown team never dig thru previous videos to check.
More importantly, they never consult us. :p

Seriously, I rather place emphasis on Mazraoui. So far very consistent from Day 1 since botak's days.
And that wriggling run to assist Hojlund. Sure didn't expect that and didn't know he can do that.

[Rickey]

Early signs r not good for the red pussies...always losing the ball n gives everton the possession n chance to attack n attack...pussies keep passing backwards ...if Amirim tactics is like this then liao leow....never play on the front foot but under pressure from Everton

[asiancigar]

United 2 - 1 Everton if Banana don’t fk up again

Let's go ..... United 4 - 0 Everton hahaha

[Rickey]

Early signs r not good for the red pussies...always losing the ball n gives everton the possession n chance to attack n attack...pussies keep passing backwards ...if Amirim tactics is like this then liao leow....never play on the front foot but under pressure from Everton
Fortunately red pussies were able to score 2 goals against the run of play by Rashford n then Zirkzee, the 2nd goal Amad robbing the ball from Jarrod Brathwaite the defender red pussies want...after this not sure if they still want him ??..there r better defenders out there than this guy...the 1st goal started from a corner kick by Bruno n was kicked to Rashford just outside the box n he volleyed towards goal helped by the feet of this guy Jarrod....so he contributed 2 goals against his own team

[lacoruna69]

HT : Man U 2 - 0 Everton

Zirkzee breaks his duck!! Good persistence from Amad on the right!

Rashford goal should be own goal from Jarrad Branthwaite.

But starting very scrappy.

[lacoruna69]

Fortunately red pussies were able to score 2 goals against the run of play by Rashford n then Zirkzee, the 2nd goal Amad robbing the ball from Jarrod Brathwaite the defender red pussies want...after this not sure if they still want him ??..there r better defenders out there than this guy...the 1st goal started from a corner kick by Bruno n was kicked to Rashford just outside the box n he volleyed towards goal helped by the feet of this guy Jarrod....so he contributed 2 goals against his own team

He want come to Utd, so "assist" in 2 goals. :p

[Johnbass]

Can’t remember when was the last time we scored 3 goals at Old Trafford
:D

[lacoruna69]

FT : Man U 4 - 0 Everton

Zirkzee! But Amad is the destroyer again with that run....rules the right flank like King!!!

Looks like Amorim really got "two brushes" !!

[Rickey]

Let's go ..... United 4 - 0 Everton hahaha

Walau, u so jun bro AC ;)....4-0 indeed !!

[Rickey]

Can’t remember when was the last time we scored 3 goals at Old Trafford
:D
Think they say in year 2021 against Leeds

[asiancigar]

Walau, u so jun bro AC ;)....4-0 indeed !!

https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/what-marcus-rashford-said-about-explosive-man-united-teammate-will-excite-fans/

[Rickey]

https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/what-marcus-rashford-said-about-explosive-man-united-teammate-will-excite-fans/

Hold yr horses, do not be carried away...it's only Everton a bottom team they beat....even then the boys in blue could hv won in the 1st 25 mins if they had better strikers than Beto n DCL..the top teams like Liverpool, Arsenal or Citeh could hv killed them with many goals by the half way mark...starting so slow, passing backwards to each other towards their own goal n constantly losing possession of the ball to the opposition team....Arsenal will prolly thrash them in their next game if they take-it-easy by starting slowly ai mai ai mai n on the back foot

[asiancigar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7LG74uL8No


New Manager, New Way of Playing, New Style of Winning and New Joy ..... MERRY CHRISTMAS United Fans !!!!!!

[Marmots]

Having watched the highlights, I oddly find myself glass half empty optimistic.

First, too much reliance on Amad. He works hard, but can't be expected to be able to nick the ball off defenders every other day, esp not against top teams like Arsenal.
There will be a different pedigree of defenders who may zonal mark him out of the game.

Second, good win, but it was against a team that was truly falling apart, which was how Man Utd was just 10 matches ago.

We have 2 tough away matches, to Arsenal and Man City,
Our mettle will be sorely tested.

I want to be optimistic, but on the backdrop of what ETH did in his first season and how he eventually ended up totally lost, there remains worries.

Nonetheless, for now, we celebrate.
The era of arrogant ETH has passed, and that of Ruben Amorim has barely begun.
And no one has fallen down to injuries since.
Amorim is not only rotating, but also seem to be giving auditions to the players, letting them get first team action, and see who needs more coaching, and who is getting it all in.
For this, the performances have a lot to be excited about.
But not Dalot, him getting the ball in the final 3rd is the same as toilet break time, cause nothing is going to happen.

Want to do a mention of Mason Mount, for the 3rd goal vs Bodo, he did a great flick to Ugarte who passed on to Højlund to score.
Nice easy simple incisive, he may yet be a hidden card we have.

Anyway, has anyone read the news of Rashford glove incident ?
Do not know if he apologised or intentional, but was truly an asshole if deliberate.

[lacoruna69]

We have 2 tough away matches, to Arsenal and Man City,
Our mettle will be sorely tested.

Nonetheless, for now, we celebrate.

Want to do a mention of Mason Mount, for the 3rd goal vs Bodo, he did a great flick to Ugarte who passed on to Højlund to score.
Nice easy simple incisive, he may yet be a hidden card we have.

Anyway, has anyone read the news of Rashford glove incident ?
Do not know if he apologised or intentional, but was truly an asshole if deliberate.

Well, yes, Everton crumbles like a pie after Rashford scores.
But, at least, able to finish off weaker teams. Now, move up to 9th in the table.

Seemed like Amorim can get the best out of players. No one gives Zirkzee a hoot before the match. Including myself.
But I was ecstatic when he score. Those two goals meant so much to him.

I write off Mount also....in fact very early on. But, Amorim might have the magic wand to whip him up to a class act.

So, Amorim do have 两把刷子。不是盖的。:D

Im not aware of the glove incident. Went to watch the video.....
Yes, very disrespectful of him. In fact the assistant did offer his hand out to get the second glove, but Rashford still dumps it to the ground.
That's the power of the media nowadays....prima donna acts will be publicized and criticized.

[ilovepantyhose]

Well, yes, Everton crumbles like a pie after Rashford scores.
But, at least, able to finish off weaker teams. Now, move up to 9th in the table.


- everton were the better team until rashford scored from the corner, they pressed with high energy and man u had trouble passing their way out from the back. amorim was right to say they were lucky as everton lacked the quality up front to finish off their chances

- MOTM has to go to amad, his relentless pressing led to 2 goals. fatigued towards the end, amorim gotta manage his minutes, maybe rest him for every 2 matches, insufficient recovery can lead to muscular injuries

- looks like zirkzee starting to adapt to PL pace and integrating with the squad, can see the improvement in performances when under ETH vs under amorim, his holdup play and esp his passing

- back from injury, amorim selected mainoo vs a weaker team to get minutes under his legs, but he is rusty with several mistimed challenges, yellow card means suspension vs arsenal, likely ugarte fernandes or ugarte casemiro in midfield

- next match away at arsenal will be the first proper test, martinez also suspended due to needless yellow, amorim pls dun field dalot at LWB, he confirm plus chop cannot keep saka quiet, get mazraoui to mark saka. possible lineup: onana, de ligt, maguire, shaw, amad, mazraoui, ugarte, casemiro, fernandes, rashford, hojlund. tactics will be similar like sporting vs city in UCL, be more compact and hit on the counter. likely arsenal win, but hopeful that man u can leave with at least a point :p

[lacoruna69]

- next match away at arsenal will be the first proper test, martinez also suspended due to needless yellow, amorim pls dun field dalot at LWB, he confirm plus chop cannot keep saka quiet, get mazraoui to mark saka. possible lineup: onana, de ligt, maguire, shaw, amad, mazraoui, ugarte, casemiro, fernandes, rashford, hojlund. tactics will be similar like sporting vs city in UCL, be more compact and hit on the counter. likely arsenal win, but hopeful that man u can leave with at least a point :p

Amorim will put his countrymen top priority la.
So Dalot will likely confirm LWB.
Shaw will play as LCB so can help mop up the lobang left by Dalot.

Apart from Saka, need to watch the other side too. Need to be careful if Martinelli starts. He is equally dangerous.

Will be suicidal to play a high line with 3 CBs with opponents having fast wingers like Saka and Martinelli.
Interesting to see how Amorim will fare against top six teams.

Match is this Thursday 4.15am. :D

[Marmots]

Just realised that the manager has to do a lot of media thing, feels like too many to do.

Pre pre-match media, pre-match media, post match media, Post post match media next morning, in house interview, then some random media interview, and a lot of others.

Well its true need media to generate buzz about the club, but got to be up there challenging first.
Got to cut the manager some slack, he is in the highest pressure job in football right now.

For Amad contract, they do need to tie it down asap, even tho they have the option to +1 year to 2026.
If he is performing well now, give him an upgrade, we know he deserves it. Keep holding him on terms from 4 years ago, he may end up feeling unappreciated.

Read a great joke today, 'news' that Real Madrid wants Dalot.
Did we get the name of the players wrong, dalot's name was actually printed on Amad's jersey ?
Now the media outlet wants view, just spread all type of bs...